10,000,000 Cousins threads [Merged]

[U2Tigers]

Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

Well - I'm mixed on this.

Hes got issues - A definate NO if we don't think we could control him, and No if it will be seen to have a negative effect on our Youngsters.

But if the club thinks it could manage him I now say Yes.

There is little out there.

I think it may be worth the shot.

Nothing worse than him coming ok - And we've wasted a PSD pick on a Bradley type.

Cousins is so far superior to whats left.



Its a hard one.

 

[tigers#7]

Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

Give him a one year contract. What do we have to lose?

If he stuffs up again, hes gone.

But IMO he'll pull his head together and play 4 years of great footy.

 

[daoula]

Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

and win the norm smith in 2011

 

[Rosy]

Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

Was Ben, or was he not, de-registered by the AFL? I heard Domestos talk about it but don't know if it's eventuated yet or not.

 

[Tigerdog]

Re: COUSINS WANTS TO PLAY, WE NEED A QUALITY MIDFIELDER, JOIN THE DOTS

He is deregietered,won't be playing in 2008.The earliest he will be registered if at all will be 2009.Next.

Not advocating getting him BUT: Heard The Fonz on SEN say he is de-registered because he has been de-listed. If he wanted to go into the draft he would have to re-register and then it would be decided if he would be allowed to re-register at that time.

 

[prizetigerboy]

Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

I am sure as hell that if Ben Cousins is drafted he will present himself as fit and cut as he did when he came back after 13 weeks out of the game. There are some of the best personal trainers in the world where he is going. I am also sure he is one of the best 3 footballers in the country and that is what we want him at Punt Rd to do. Play football. That come back game produced 38 quality posessions don't forget. Imagine round 1 at the "G" against Carlton? Cousins and Judd going head to head in front of a packed house. Every football supporter in the country would be glued to their set to watch it. It would be bigger than Ali vs Frazier!!! Bring it on I say.

Let's not forget that during the peak of all his off field dramas, Ben Cousins continued to play brilliant football.

If we don't at least TRY and explore the option, then we are kidding ourselves we belong in the modern AFL competition. I'm dam sure that if Carlton hadn't picked up Judd and had 1st pick in the national draft, or if Collingwood were in a similar situation, they would be leaving no stone unturned to get a player of that quality to their club.

 

[Harry]

Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

Is he really a drug addict.....or he just loves partying and got busted too many times because of who he is?
remember the media loves stories!! im not saying he is innocent but:

None of us would know the answers but surely Ben going back to America to check in for more rehab says something. You don't just do that for the fun of it.

Actually it's becoming fashionable lately. There's even a song about it.

 

[caspar]

Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

Is he really a drug addict.....or he just loves partying and got busted too many times because of who he is?
remember the media loves stories!! im not saying he is innocent but:

None of us would know the answers but surely Ben going back to America to check in for more rehab says something. You don't just do that for the fun of it.

I would!
Have you seen that place??

 

[ronnit]

Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

i wouldnt mind him at all...

 

[Dyer Disciple]

Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

Why it's worth taking a gamble on him

1) He is brilliant, one of the games best

2) His work ethic on the track is exceptional, quite possibly best in the league, just listen to interview from Kerr/Judd. Would set a great example in this area for the younger players.

3) Could play at least another 3-4 years

4) We could pick him up dirt cheap

5) Look at who else is avilable in the PSD, they are all garbage.

6) Getting out of Perth, is what he needs to help turn his life around

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I actually beleive he is a good influance on younger players, due to
A) The youngers players after football hours associate with younger players, not the older ones.
B) the younger players interaction with Cousins 95% of the time would be on the training track and match day

I propose we take him pick 1 PSD, with strict contract conditions.
Pay him minimum wage in 2008, and don't even play him next year, let him get himself right

Excuse me if this comes out a bit crude, new to this forum and only just starting to use the Quotonater and know there is a better way to do this but have to stick with this for the moment till i can learn it...

To address your points...

1) No argument

2) No argument (though on this I would remind you that your living in the past...the fact is his problem got to a extent that he WASN'T training well, even turning up to training "in a state unfit to perform" as Worsfold has said (not exact wording, but very close to it and the meaning was clear).

3) This is speculative, comparing him to a "normal" superstar...fair call...considering the other factors hanging over his head...I doubt he will ever play again let alone last more than a couple of years

4) So what? There is a very good reason (that could be dire for our club) as to why you could pick him up dirt cheap

5) If you make decision on the PSD based on what else is available I believe your going down the wrong track.

6) No one knows the true extent to Ben's problems, on either end of the scale, what you say works for some people and doesn't for others. If he has problems due to his environment...then you could be right. If he has a serious addiction problem, doesn't matter what state it is that he is in

Your proposal is very similiar to what WCE did, that worked wonders didn't it? This guy needs time out from football to sort his head/issues, whatever it is that ails him. He is still not playing it right, even if he is clean.

That to me screams ticking time bomb waiting to happen.

 

[btoz_01]

Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

Can someone send a message to ld Hammerhead that he should get on a plane in London and stop trying to find Solomon and head to Los Angeles and meet up with Cuz.
Give Cuz a 1 year deal with a million clauses if he olice: up hes out. Cuz has more talent than any other player available in the PSD.

 

[Bennnny]

Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

The guy thinks he is God. He has never been told no.
Uncontrollable and a complete bad egg.

Sure he can play football but he ended up ruining West Coast because they let him away with everything that he did.

Do we have people strong enough to tell him what to do and to discipline him?

 

[Harry]

Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

Imagine what Benny could get up to in Melbournes night life.

Wooooooo Hooooooo , he'd go off.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

I am sure as hell that if Ben Cousins is drafted he will present himself as fit and cut as he did when he came back after 13 weeks out of the game. There are some of the best personal trainers in the world where he is going. I am also sure he is one of the best 3 footballers in the country and that is what we want him at Punt Rd to do. Play football. That come back game produced 38 quality posessions don't forget. Imagine round 1 at the "G" against Carlton? Cousins and Judd going head to head in front of a packed house. Every football supporter in the country would be glued to their set to watch it. It would be bigger than Ali vs Frazier!!! Bring it on I say.


Let's not forget that during the peak of all his off field dramas, Ben Cousins continued to play brilliant football.

If we don't at least TRY and explore the option, then we are kidding ourselves we belong in the modern AFL competition. I'm dam sure that if Carlton hadn't picked up Judd and had 1st pick in the national draft, or if Collingwood were in a similar situation, they would be leaving no stone unturned to get a player of that quality to their club.

Many seemed to be getting seduced by how good Cousins is. That is not the issue. Cousins does not need a Personal Trainer, he needs to change his lifestyle at the very least. That is no small issue and nothign to do with his fitness or form. We all know he is a superstar and he is one fo the best trainers going around.

He needs time off to sort his head because playing the percentages he is likely to turn up for Round 1 in super condition (ring bells?) play a 35+ possession game (ring bells?) and then fall over with off field issues and bring hell down upon our club...people really have to think about this.

 

[tigers80]

Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

wont happen.... :-X

 

[tote]

Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

I'm 50/50 but we'd be crazy not to talk to him - i think the existing players would need to support it as well so they'd need to be involved in the process as well

those saying the AFL won't allow him to re-register - think again - they might wish they could but there is no legal basis on which to disallow it - he's never tested positive - and is not in breach of AFL rules - imagine to legal case if they tried!

 

[jb03]

Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

The do gooders seem to be out and about again.

Has 5 years left in him, longer than will be the careers of major disapointments Meyer, JON and co at AFL level.

Just get him, and do something daring for a change.

 

[polo]

Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

For people who say Ben Cousins has ruined the West Coast Easgles, what are they basing this on? Who has been the most successfull side in the AFL in the last 5 or so years. Any reasonable person would also say they have plenty of talented kids coming through andf their list is in good shape. If you are looking at it in a pure football win loss sense Ben Cousins has not crippled the West Coast he has substainally helped it. Remember the first final this year, if cousins did not get injured they would of won that game and a home prelim in WA would of equalled another grand final appearence.

If people think Ben Cousins is the lone ranger of bad boys in the afl they need to think again, every club has their problem children and sides that win flags still have them (re west coast 2006)

On the whole he will be a bad influence, if he is too bad we kick him out, god knows we have had other bad influences that have been at the club who could also not play footy. Lets also not kid ourselves the players on our list reside in a community where they know family and other friends who are probably not a great influence.

For people who are wanting richmond to win the flag and do it with 'nice young chaps' then so be it, but if we are wanting to win and no accept second best pick him up, his form was still brilliant this year so there is no reason to think it will take a sudden nose dive

 

[Azza]

Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

The do gooders seem to be out and about again.

Has 5 years left in him, longer than will be the careers of major disapointments Meyer, JON and co at AFL level.

Just get him, and do something daring for a change.

I'm one of the do-gooders - I think he might have a bad impact at the club. But I'd love to see us have the attitiude to bust our balls to get him, flipping the bird at every other club in the process.

 

[jb03]

Re: Ben Cousins threads and Poll [Merged]

I'm one of the do-gooders - I think he might have a bad impact at the club. But I'd love to see us have the attitiude to bust our balls to get him, flipping the bird at every other club in the process.

Yes I would like us to do something like that for a change. Can't have much more of a negative impact than 3.5 wins in a season.

IMO the players would welcome him.