Correct, if the interchange is capped, Ben would be more likely to stay. If it's not capped, it could be the end of his playing days.rockstar_tiger said:
Confusion no more.
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Confusion no more.
Opulentus Tigris said:
I actually assumed the opposite. Ben generally plays less time on ground than our other midfielders. He relies on running himself to exhaustion, resetting on the bench, and then doing it again. This requires high number of interchanges to execute.
But I could be wrong
If Cousins can't keep up then it will be because of the speed of the game, rather than the endurance side of it.
Endurance athletes peak well into their late 30's.
Eg. Rob Harvey, Shane Crawford, both playing till 35. Cousins is a similar body type to them.
I was under the impression Dimma believes capping the interchange will mean Cousins would not be able to cope well enough to get through the season. However the game could easily drop a yard of pace and the opposite could happen - Cuz begins breaking the lines more often.
Interesting to think about.
I would hope the club knows all this and factors it in.
Less interchanges = slower game.
It's impossible to maintain the current intensity because ALL players are effected and must adapt to a more endurance style of game.
Endurance athletes peak well into their late 30's.
Eg. Rob Harvey, Shane Crawford, both playing till 35. Cousins is a similar body type to them.
I was under the impression Dimma believes capping the interchange will mean Cousins would not be able to cope well enough to get through the season. However the game could easily drop a yard of pace and the opposite could happen - Cuz begins breaking the lines more often.
Interesting to think about.
I would hope the club knows all this and factors it in.
Less interchanges = slower game.
It's impossible to maintain the current intensity because ALL players are effected and must adapt to a more endurance style of game.
rockstar_tiger said:
you'd think that would be the case and daniel jackson brought this up on sen a while ago but the risk is that coaches will demand the same intensity and output from the players but with less interchanges
what this will do effectively is end careers of older players incapable of maintaining the intensity with fewer rests and i think thats what dimma was referring to last week about cuz
what that tells me is that coaches dont plan to slow the game down at all but full steam ahead with 2-way running.
rockstar_tiger said:
Dimma has had a bet each way with regards to this that I can see.
"The four interchange players has allowed you to play guys a little bit older, but the speed of the game can also take that away.'
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,27473960-5018851,00.html?from=public_rss
I think everything is relative.
I think players are giving their all as it is, and a coach couldn't force them to maintain this intensity without a rest.
If that was possible, it would have happened 3-4 years ago before the high number of rotations.
I guess time will tell what impacts any changes might have. With a decision pending in the next 2-3 weeks Ben better put in a couple of his best performances with the club to date.
Despite wanting him to go on, I'm starting to think it's unlikely.
They are giving a decision before the end of the season, possibly so he can have a farewell game. Some seriously good form might change their minds, and we know they are serious when they say a player can still earn his spot (eg. Tuck).
If that was possible, it would have happened 3-4 years ago before the high number of rotations.
I guess time will tell what impacts any changes might have. With a decision pending in the next 2-3 weeks Ben better put in a couple of his best performances with the club to date.
Despite wanting him to go on, I'm starting to think it's unlikely.
They are giving a decision before the end of the season, possibly so he can have a farewell game. Some seriously good form might change their minds, and we know they are serious when they say a player can still earn his spot (eg. Tuck).
LidsBling&Cotch said:
That would be hard to police and confusing to the players... the coaches will try to exploit any rule that is put in place in order to win, as they should. Capping the interchange will force them to find new ways to win, because right now coaches are exploiting this area in order to be faster and more intense than ever.
Personally I would like the game to allow our stars to play until they're 35.
While it is a team sport, many supporters get excited about guys like Deledio and Riewoldt. Today there is massive pressure on anyone when they hit 30. With development years, that leaves about 4-6 years a player has in the game. Ridiculous.
It's better for the game if star players are around for 15+ years.
Maybe in addition to the veteran list, there could be a variation of this which would allow clubs to let players such as Cousins, Brad Johnson, Barry Hall etc to play a couple more seasons without running the risk of them getting injured and being a man down on the main list. Someone like Richo could potentially sit on the sidelines all year and if fit and enthusiastic, could potentially have had an impact in 2011 if the club was in a position to go for a flag. Clubs could let their favourite sons play an extra 2 years with the intention of only playing half a season.
I'll be very disappointed if Cotchin is no good by the time he's 29 because his body can't cope.
Teams will be forced to spend 4-5 years trading players for draft picks, and then another 3-4 years trading draft picks for players, since players are generally at their peak from ages 24-28.
Is the increased speed of the game more exciting to watch than the best players? It all depends on how strong the correlation is. I'm sure the AFL has studied this in depth and will make the right decision, whatever it may be. I'm only putting my thoughts out there of a possibility, I don't have access to the statistics.
momentai said:
Well what the Tigers say in the public can be very different from the reality. I have no doubt the Tigers would prefer he doesn't publish his documentary, but they can't just come out and say this. Any views or otherwise doesn't change my belief that if you are earning dollars you should commit to the club. Plenty of time after football for Cousins to air his documentary. Of course I understand for monetary gain why Cousins would want to air it whilst still an AFL footballer.
zgod said:
Since you know about marketing why don’t you contact Gale and March. They may not know as much as you! Also, make you sure watch the doco and pay attention to all the commercials and see how many of them are “family friendly” companies. Since it’s going to be aired during peak time and knowing how it will rate, Ch7 will be more than happy with the advertising $$.
Gale also said on Sen today that he has seen the doco although it was unfinished. It was confronting, but instructive with much to learn. Therefore ,if the doco can stop one kid from going down the path Ben took, or inspire a kid who is struggling then these “family friendly” companies should be happy, as it may be one of their kids.
Gale also said that Ben is a football story! Don’t think about the negatives with this. There are positives here for both the AFL and RFC on how football helped someone come back from rock bottom .
Dusty,Dusty said:
I raised the notion of maybe some sponsors maybe being turned off from the outcome of this doco. Thats all. It's a fair point, it's not what I believe in it was just simply a theory. I personally think the doco will be good viewing and as you say positive and inspiring.
Gary March is quoted as saying that a decision will be made about Bens future at the Club in the next three weeks.
I can't help but think that it may come as early as next week.
What with the mounting press speculation, about Bens future. (Have you voted yet?), the forthcoming doco, the additional speculation that will lead to, and the fact that the club has now seen the documentary and indicated that its contents and Bens new contract are separate matters.
Plus a couple of new sponsors in the offing..
Just seems that next week may be best for the off field issues.
And for the onfield issues, a positive announcement to the team relating to Bens future, in the week prior to the Carlton game can only be a plus.
Another thought is this.
If the announcement is made next week and following the Carlton game it is clear we have no chance of Sept action, then it would be possible to bench Ben for the last two games at Etihad, removing the possibility of injury on that crap surface while underlining to the fixtures people our opposition to home games there. play DG and maybe Contin..win win.
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I can't help but think that it may come as early as next week.
What with the mounting press speculation, about Bens future. (Have you voted yet?), the forthcoming doco, the additional speculation that will lead to, and the fact that the club has now seen the documentary and indicated that its contents and Bens new contract are separate matters.
Plus a couple of new sponsors in the offing..
Just seems that next week may be best for the off field issues.
And for the onfield issues, a positive announcement to the team relating to Bens future, in the week prior to the Carlton game can only be a plus.
Another thought is this.
If the announcement is made next week and following the Carlton game it is clear we have no chance of Sept action, then it would be possible to bench Ben for the last two games at Etihad, removing the possibility of injury on that crap surface while underlining to the fixtures people our opposition to home games there. play DG and maybe Contin..win win.
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I dont think Cuz will be playing AFL next year.
While he has been a great asset teaching and leading by example, it wouldnt suprise me if the club thought 2 years wasnt enough to teach our kids how to go about their business.
Has he more to teach than what he has taught in the past 2 years?
Its time for Cotch/Foley/Collo & co whom Cuz has taken under his wing for 2 years, to take responsibility and display his traits for themselves and show the next group of kids how its done.
While Cuz might be worthy of a spot in our best 22 next year, I cant help but think they will move him on regardless.
Will be interesting to see which way they go.
While he has been a great asset teaching and leading by example, it wouldnt suprise me if the club thought 2 years wasnt enough to teach our kids how to go about their business.
Has he more to teach than what he has taught in the past 2 years?
Its time for Cotch/Foley/Collo & co whom Cuz has taken under his wing for 2 years, to take responsibility and display his traits for themselves and show the next group of kids how its done.
While Cuz might be worthy of a spot in our best 22 next year, I cant help but think they will move him on regardless.
Will be interesting to see which way they go.
