10,000,000 Cousins threads [Merged]

[Tigers of Old]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

That's not what bothers me about the situation.

He's taken the first step in admitting publicly to his problem.
He wasn't able to do this in the interview he gave back mid season.
That is a positive step towards his recovery but it's going to take as long as it takes.

The hard reality is that with the substances he has been dealing in, his recovery is probably going to be going on well beyond the years he had left in footy.

Yes drug addiction is serious but not as serious as the media made it out to be in Ben's case. Gosh I could name another 5 or 6 players right now that should not be allowed in the league as they are a risk and more, a blight on our game. Where is the fairness?

Standby for the AFL to review their drug policy as the media spotlight readjusts in the coming weeks.

 

[jb03]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

when will the Tigers luck ever change? Im feeling quite distressed right now :'( :'( :'(

Me too, Tigerlee.

Crucified, persecuted, you name it.

I wonder if we didn't have the first pick in the PSD ifso many people would have been so concerned about Cousins being able to play on.

I think this was a good outcome for Cousins and the AFL.

Charles got 16 weeks for using steroids, so I think Cousins should consider he has been pretty lucky.

Cousins has bever been caught by the AFL nor had any charges sustained away from the game. Charles was using performance enhancing drugs. The differences are marked. Though I think you are right about the first paragraph.

 

[gustiger12]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

Cousins has bever been caught by the AFL nor had any charges sustained away from the game. Charles was using performance enhancing drugs. The differences are marked. Though I think you are right about the first paragraph.

He has now admiitted he is a DRUG ADDICT. Just in case you didn't hear his press conference JB.

Ben Cousins was using illegal drugs. Thi difference is Marked as you say.

 

[tigerlee]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

Ben Cousins was using illegal drugs.

as are a lot of players from one other club that we all know about - even the names if only we were allowed to mention them. What is the AFL doing about them other than hiding them? Fair is fair only when the same rules are applied to all. Ben never tested positive - they did yet he is the one with the problem and needs to be booted out. One set of rules for some. It will be very interesting how accountable the Eagles are now found byt the Commission.

 

[Baloo]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

While I think 12 months out of thegame for Ben to concentrate on his rehab is a good thing for him, I find it odd that the AFL could ban him for 12 months despite his never being charged by the police or caught by the AFL for drugs related incidents.

Something just doesn't sit right.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

He has now admiitted he is a DRUG ADDICT. Just in case you didn't hear his press conference JB.

Ben Cousins was using illegal drugs. Thi difference is Marked as you say.

Still hasn't had any strikes though gus so it's all irrelevant. :blah

The AFL's drug policy needs a radical overhaul in light of this finding but it doesn't excuse Cousin's behaviour one iota.
He made his own bed and now he's sleeping in it.

 

[jb03]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

He has now admiitted he is a DRUG ADDICT. Just in case you didn't hear his press conference JB.

Ben Cousins was using illegal drugs. Thi difference is Marked as you say.

He's never tested positive despite being tested 14 times yet at least 3 players are running around the AFL in anonymity after testing positive twice. See, even Tooheys agrees now.

What happened to the AFL not wanting to 'name and shame'. Pea-hearted hypocrites.

 

[Tiger74]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

then we had better start looking at all people we are thinking of taking in the draft as we need to make sure there are no wife beaters, gamblers or anyone else that has a serious addiction of any sorts. Yes drug addiction is serious but not as serious as the media made it out to be in Ben's case. Gosh I could name another 5 or 6 players right now that should not be allowed in the league as they are a risk and more, a blight on our game. Where is the fairness?

Personally I don't want anyone in the league who bashes their wife, but if that behaviour is cool by you TL so be it.

 

[mopsy fraser]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

now the afl have set the standard for what bringing the game into disrepute is,if they don`t do anything about *smile* pratt they are weak,pathetic hypocrites.
surely thieving from every man,women and child in the country(in the words of a federal court judge) would have to be classed as bringing the game into disrepute.
but at the moment the silence is deafening.

 

[TigerLuke]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

Weak, insipid decision from a dictatorship way out of touch with reality and the general public.

you're kidding right? if cousin's had tested positive for these drugs from wada/asada performance enhancing drug tests he would have been automatically suspended for 2 years. he is lucky that never happened. most of the general public agrees that if you test positive for performance enhancing drugs that you should be suspended for 2 years - he got 1 year. i'll say it again, he's lucky.

the only weak and insipid thing about it is that wce should have made this decision 12 or 18 months ago. seeing as tho they didn't the afl should have then made it 12 months ago.

Shameful. Hang a bloke for a problem perpetuated by the AFL's own policy making.

rumours suggest he had a problem long before the afl's 3 strikes policy was implemented. the afl did not make cousins take drugs. he has not been hung - if he's clean in 12 months he can play again.

 

[Tiger74]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

Happy with the result here, the soap opera of Run Benny Run has been a farce and a disgrace. Let the guy get his act cleaned up away from the league for 12 months.

 

[TigerLuke]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

Cousins has bever been caught by the AFL nor had any charges sustained away from the game. Charles was using performance enhancing drugs. The differences are marked.

the main difference is cousins didn't get caught.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

He's never tested positive despite being tested 14 times yet at least 3 players are running around the AFL in anonymity after testing positive twice. See, even Tooheys agrees now.

There is no need for the three strikes policy to apply to Cousins.
It's too late for that now as he is a confessed addict.

All it has done is highlight that the net is not foolproof and Cousins has managed to slip through it, either by good fortune or good management.

It doesn't mean he's innocent.

 

[tigerlee]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

Personally I don't want anyone in the league who bashes their wife, but if that behaviour is cool by you TL so be it.

my point is that we allow these types in now and dont say a word and they are not bringing the game into disrepute? Of course they are - just that the AFL is not listening to the charges getting laid left right and centre - they singled out a guy that has NO convictions and NO strikes - seems he was charged from media sensationalism. He admitted he has a problem - did not admit he is an addict. I accept he is on drugs and I dont accept that - like I dont accept wife beating nor gambling nor alcohol addiction but we are not ridding the rest are we - just this one.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

now the afl have set the standard for what bringing the game into disrepute is,if they don`t do anything about *smile* pratt they are weak,pathetic hypocrites.
surely thieving from every man,women and child in the country(in the words of a federal court judge) would have to be classed as bringing the game into disrepute.
but at the moment the silence is deafening.

They don't have the financial resources to go to war with Pratt.

 

[RemoteTiger]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

Gustiger and Tigerluke - my fear is that the AFL drugs screening was not good enough to catch Ben Cousins - however - after he comes out and says he has a drug problem the AFL suspends him for 12 months - now that is real incentive for others to come out and say hey I need a hand to get over my problem.

All this has done is force other AFL players with similar issues to go underground - why give yourself up if you are going to get rubbed out - best to try and beat the addiction quietly by yourself (and we all know how well that works).

WRONG WRONG WRONG decision by the AFL - fools in their own lunch time IMO..........RT

 

[Rosy]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

Yes drug addiction is serious but not as serious as the media made it out to be in Ben's case.

I'm really happy for Ben and his family that Ben has publicly admitted his drug addiction and thought Ben spoke really well. I watched the news with my sister and brother in law who lost their son to drugs. Drug addiction is very serious lee. It's no exaggeration to say it's a matter of life and death.

Some people might want a cheap fix of a champion footballer but I for one care more about Ben's life than his career. I wish him success in the year ahead and hope he comes back to AFL better than ever but there's a lot of water to flow under the bridge before that happens.

Best wishes Cuz...life is precious. I hope you beat the demon drugs no matter what direction your life takes.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

Gustiger and Tigerluke - my fear is that the AFL drugs screening was not good enough to catch Ben Cousins - however - after he comes out and says he has a drug problem the AFL suspends him for 12 months - now that is real incentive for others to come out and say hey I need a hand to get over my problem.

All this has done is force other AFL players with similar issues to go underground - why give yourself up if you are going to get rubbed out - best to try and beat the addiction quietly by yourself (and we all know how well that works).

WRONG WRONG WRONG decision by the AFL - fools in their own lunch time IMO..........RT

Hang on a second RT.
He's already been suspended once for 12 weeks drug use/behaviour etc. by his club remember. The league allowed him back to play and even covered some of the costs to rehab.
West Coast have now sacked him because he has clearly breached his return conditions. The Weagles said there were several RECENT incidents that led to him contract termination.

He's now been suspended for 12 months by the AFL but has been given a lifeline in 12 months time..

I agree. Cousins is lucky.

 

[clown]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

What a stupid situation
1. The A.F.L has to get rid of the 3 strikes policy, after this it is a JOKE.
2. If any other footballer out there have a drug problem, DON"T SEEK HELP cause it will only focus the media spotlight on you and you will be hounded. Keep it quiet,deal with it your self or keep using cause you probably wont get caught if are smart (see Andrew Johns)and you deny you are a user.
3.Ben Cousins never tested positive but admits he has a drug problem how many strikes is this worth.
4."Briging the game into disrepute", is this something that could stand up in a court of law. I don't think so UNFAIR DISMISSAL sounds better.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Re: Cousins: The poll. Do you want the Tigers to draft Ben Cousins?

Gustiger and Tigerluke - my fear is that the AFL drugs screening was not good enough to catch Ben Cousins - however - after he comes out and says he has a drug problem the AFL suspends him for 12 months - now that is real incentive for others to come out and say hey I need a hand to get over my problem.

All this has done is force other AFL players with similar issues to go underground - why give yourself up if you are going to get rubbed out - best to try and beat the addiction quietly by yourself (and we all know how well that works).

WRONG WRONG WRONG decision by the AFL - fools in their own lunch time IMO..........RT

It's OK for players to have a drug problem as long as the media don't report it. At least that seems to be the stance.