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Worst List in the Comp for the Next few years
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Geez I didn't know Cuz had to make a huge impact in just 19 rounds at the club considering we're not playing for finals.
Must've missed something.
Must've missed something.
Tigerbob said:
I don't hate Cousins, I met him once. Seemed a likeable guy.
I think he's done well in his comeback, though I thought he struggled today with a good tag from Jack.
I just don't see him as irreplaceable, untradeable or the shining light to lead us out of the wilderness that many seem to.
He is a 32 year old recycled champion past his best at a struggling club. No more no less.
Tigers of Old said:
That's why we need him at our struggling club. The more knowledge and experience our kids gain from him, the better.
I must admit, I haven't read the entire thread, however I think North's list is definitely worse than Richmonds
There was a good article by Emmy Quayle comparing the two lists from a perspective coach's POV and despite my bias, North are lacking in top line mids and junior kpps. They have better 25-27 year olds, but they'll be looking at retirement when they are looking to move up the ladder.
There was a good article by Emmy Quayle comparing the two lists from a perspective coach's POV and despite my bias, North are lacking in top line mids and junior kpps. They have better 25-27 year olds, but they'll be looking at retirement when they are looking to move up the ladder.
josey said:
No, it is looking bad.
2004 draft was ok, in that we drafted more than 2 or 3 kids and have gotten Deledio, Tambling, Polo and McGuane from it. Pattison and Meyer are wastes.
The next few drafts (excluding 2006), to only pick 2 or 3 kids and trade picks and pick up recycled players is a disgrace.
We're the last team to realise the value of the draft and with the Gold Coast and West Sydney coming in, we're a long way off still.
Looking at our side yesterday our list is rubbish. No-one could stand up when they needed. Terry will be remembered for leaving us in the worst position possible at the end of his 5 years. Absolute RUBBISH!
The best players on our team are veterans in Richo, Cuz and Joel Bowden
The best players on our team are veterans in Richo, Cuz and Joel Bowden
Yeah as Josey and MB said earlier, gross knee-jerk over-reaction to a nothing loss, with a caretaker coach at the end of a season all want to end.
I'm no shiney faced pollyanna with the Tiges, as some gooses wish to dismiss anyone with any shred of positive views on the club, it doesn't wash with me.
We have a lot of bums we need to jettison, sure, but we also have a decent core to make a reasonable start. As I've said before, the new coach will have a machine that will at least turnover and chug along, as opposed to the rusted, seized, rotted wreck we were post spud.
I won't talk about sackings, most are pencilled in, A couple of points though, a lot on here year after year, week after week fail to appreciate that a footy team is not 22 deledios and cotchins. The bset sides have battlers, we have too many. 2 more elites and the battlers ratio reduced a bit, things can turn around quickly.
I tend to look for positives, but I'm very realistic about our list. Positives for me this year, (I already had JR, BD and TC pencilled in) Polo, Edwards, Jackson, Vickery, Tambling, Collins, Graham. A few of these have dropped off in recent weeks, but its understandable. Proportionally I'm most pleased with Polo and Edwards, both are looking like long term prospects to me. And I'd written off Polo along with most of the rest of the disaster draft. I'd completely written off Graham, but he's shown some potential this year.
I'm no shiney faced pollyanna with the Tiges, as some gooses wish to dismiss anyone with any shred of positive views on the club, it doesn't wash with me.
We have a lot of bums we need to jettison, sure, but we also have a decent core to make a reasonable start. As I've said before, the new coach will have a machine that will at least turnover and chug along, as opposed to the rusted, seized, rotted wreck we were post spud.
I won't talk about sackings, most are pencilled in, A couple of points though, a lot on here year after year, week after week fail to appreciate that a footy team is not 22 deledios and cotchins. The bset sides have battlers, we have too many. 2 more elites and the battlers ratio reduced a bit, things can turn around quickly.
I tend to look for positives, but I'm very realistic about our list. Positives for me this year, (I already had JR, BD and TC pencilled in) Polo, Edwards, Jackson, Vickery, Tambling, Collins, Graham. A few of these have dropped off in recent weeks, but its understandable. Proportionally I'm most pleased with Polo and Edwards, both are looking like long term prospects to me. And I'd written off Polo along with most of the rest of the disaster draft. I'd completely written off Graham, but he's shown some potential this year.
tigersnake said:
There definitely have been some pockets of potential joy for the longer term future but on the flip side it's been countered with a world of pain for several of our footballers who have either gotten older or been exposed as clearly not up to it.
We are a fair way off being a genuine contender I am afraid snake.
So whats you solution JB?Should we go through every club in the major 2nd tier comps[VFL,SANFL,WAFL] and recruit those who do have certain skills that we lack[Footskills mainly]and take a gamble?
The list is interesting...soooo much deadwood that could/should be cut. Will the next coach have the balls to cut to the bone?
Personally I wouldve liked to have seen a player like Hughes play at least 6 games as a FF/CHF...have hughes, vickery, jack and post all rotating as bigs through the fwd 50 - THAT IS THE FUTURE. Not playing him, regardless of form has seen us get no more understanding of whether he can cut it. Shame.
PLayers like White, Jackson, Hislop etc to me are just battlers. Decision making and skills are SHOCKING.
Time should be spent developing Connors and Collins - guys with the footballing ability to take this club to the next level.
Must build a midfield around Cotchin, Deledio and Foley. With players like Tambling, Connors, Collins, Edwards even Morton as second stringers.
Backline is a concern. Need to bulk up big time. If Thursfield is to go anywhere he needs to be told to add 10kgs or see ya later. I still think he has more to offer than Moore. Rance is a good size but his kicking and decision making is terrible. Has time to develop. I like the idea of Post at CHB - great jukes a good spoil and adequate kick.
The first pick we get (3?), we must get a gun mid or gun fwd.
I think Hughes is gone and im not sure whats going on with Connors....Cousins and Richo need to be retained to show these blokes what it takes to be an elite footballer.
This is only my personal opion, however, next year i would like to see this sort of outfit moving fwd:
Dean Polo Will Thursfield Luke McGuane
Chris Newman Jayden Post Shane Edwards
Richard Tambling Trent Cotchin Andrew Collins
Daniel Connors Cleve Hughes Jack Reiwoldt
Mitch Morton Tyrone Vickery Robin Nahas
R. Angus Graham, Nathan Foley, Brett Deledio
Personally I wouldve liked to have seen a player like Hughes play at least 6 games as a FF/CHF...have hughes, vickery, jack and post all rotating as bigs through the fwd 50 - THAT IS THE FUTURE. Not playing him, regardless of form has seen us get no more understanding of whether he can cut it. Shame.
PLayers like White, Jackson, Hislop etc to me are just battlers. Decision making and skills are SHOCKING.
Time should be spent developing Connors and Collins - guys with the footballing ability to take this club to the next level.
Must build a midfield around Cotchin, Deledio and Foley. With players like Tambling, Connors, Collins, Edwards even Morton as second stringers.
Backline is a concern. Need to bulk up big time. If Thursfield is to go anywhere he needs to be told to add 10kgs or see ya later. I still think he has more to offer than Moore. Rance is a good size but his kicking and decision making is terrible. Has time to develop. I like the idea of Post at CHB - great jukes a good spoil and adequate kick.
The first pick we get (3?), we must get a gun mid or gun fwd.
I think Hughes is gone and im not sure whats going on with Connors....Cousins and Richo need to be retained to show these blokes what it takes to be an elite footballer.
This is only my personal opion, however, next year i would like to see this sort of outfit moving fwd:
Dean Polo Will Thursfield Luke McGuane
Chris Newman Jayden Post Shane Edwards
Richard Tambling Trent Cotchin Andrew Collins
Daniel Connors Cleve Hughes Jack Reiwoldt
Mitch Morton Tyrone Vickery Robin Nahas
R. Angus Graham, Nathan Foley, Brett Deledio
CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
Yep. We need to go and find the Liam Anthony's, the Greg Broughton's, the Brad Diazell's. I would rather take a 21 year old from the WAFL who was footballing talent and skills then continue trying to turn unskilled triers into just average kicks of the ball. And with your early picks you still take the best available at every chance with your basic core skills mastered. Take the WAFL/SANFL types with your picks after 50. With the Gold Coast coming in you will see a lot more 21/22 year old guys coming into the system and playing right away. We have to keep trying to improve.
SCOOP said:
SCOOP said:
Scoop,
You only find these players by having a strong and well-paid recruiting network.
It is something that the interstate clubs have over us in spades...they have the money and the resources to put the likes of Cox, Sandilands, and Bock on a rookie list because they have the network and the capability to do just that.
We haven't had that and why we have wasted top pick after top pick....or traded picks for other players....which is why the 'tank to get picks' is a fallacy.
I reckon Rawlings was spot on today with what he said about our "losing culture" and the MENTALITY of some of the players when the going gets tough.
I think that is why the likes of Tuck, Bowden, Brown, Simmo, etc have been sent to the ressies for extended periods because it is these players that the likes of Lids and Bling learn off.
Then we have Cotch learning off Lids...and then Post learning off Cotch....and the losing mentality seeps through the club like a cancer.
It is why SO many of the posters on this very forum do not want to trade Cousins....all of a sudden we have a player who is not from a losing club or a player with weak mental capacity when it comes to doing the hard yards.....so he is an opportunity for our young kids to change their ways and see what they need to do to make it to the top.
Then you look at our list.....with a player on our list that is the benchmark to gut-running and a winning mentality...as well as a coach (say a Hardwick) that has also played and been part of coaching panels that have experienced premiership success....then all of a sudden the young kids we do have will get that confidence and know what they have to endure to win games.
I think the list and the failings we have witnessed over a long period are more to do with mental aptitude and the spreading over the years of a losing culture rather than the players being actually poor and not being physically capable of playing good footy.
