Worst List in the Comp for the Next few years

[Ridley]

Of course it's true. Read the threads by date and it's all too obvious. How many's a few? 4? 5? How can jimbob possibly know what state our list will be in 5 years from now?

Maybe he just looks at what it was like 5 years ago. It was *smile*. And 5 years before that? It was *smile* as well. Can we see a pattern emerging?

Unfortunately you don't need a crystal ball to see the future of the RFC list. Maybe a copy of Groundhog Day would be more appropriate.

 

[peggles]

Too true.

for sure.

 

[Disco08]

Maybe he just looks at what it was like 5 years ago. It was *smile*ed. And 5 years before that? It was *smile*ed as well. Can we see a pattern emerging?

Unfortunately you don't need a crystal ball to see the future of the RFC list. Maybe a copy of Groundhog Day would be more appropriate.

That would make sense if you thought things never change. I know Richmond sucks at football, but things can change.

Read the rest of my post.

I read it. It didn't contradict what I said at all. All you did was say that some of the players you think are useless are overvalued (IYO) from time to time. I'm guessing those times are generally after a win? Wouldn't that enforce what I said about results dictating discussion? Or are you going to tell me only the brightsiders post this way and that every loss is actually greeted with even, non-reactive posting?

I would take a few to mean 2-3.

I've never heard a few being 2 before.

There is no denying we have a long way to go to get better and histroy shows it doesn't happen quickly. I want to know what those people (you included) think of the likes of McGuane, Jackson, White, Pattison, Graham right now. It is becoming quite clear that the backslappers were wiling to rub it in those who doubted certain players on our list but those long term questions still exist and if anything have got louder.

Aside from Pattison (who I admit has gone backwards and looks completely lost) I don't think I've ever really posted anything about these guys. I don't think I've ever said we're on the verge of success either.

 

[Tigers of Old]

There are a heap of holes but less than there were two years ago and we have a sprinkling of genuinely talented youngsters to build on. However I think we are at least two seasons away from being a top 8 contender.

Any veteran players who won't be a part of that two season wilderness window should be retired, traded or delisted.

Any players who can't regularly hit a target or panic under finals type football should be delisted.

Enough stopgaps, enough bandaids, we need to keep turning players over to find those with the talent required to take this club forward for the next decade and the best way to do that is keep strengthening the bottom of the list by fully utilising the draft.

Only problem is it's going to be impossible to do that over the course of one season. It's going to take time, patience and a concerted, united club effort.

My gut tells me next season will be ugly results wise and new club & coach will focus on a Melbourne/West Coast/Fremantle type rebuild. I can wear that.

 

[jb03]

Agreed. The result dictates the discussion every week.

I don't agree with that. In fact, it is nonsense.

Not true Disco. The fundamental flaws that some have pointed out all year are now being seen by everyone.

It is not results related at all. It is more results driven by those who choose to believe that some players on this current list could lead us out of the wilderness. Players like McGuane, Jackson, White, Pattison, Graham are quite simply not up to it. At various points this year these group has been lauded as potential All Aussie, Club leaders, long term answers and capable of getting a game in any side. It is crazy talk.

Week to week results are not why people make claims as JB's and don't think he is too far off it.

Agree with this though.

We have a very weak list with holes everywhere yet people just continue to look for and cling to the smallest positives.

I've been a Jackson advocate but Scoop has been right all along - he is a poor man's poor man's Brett Kirk. Disco you label Pattison as a Hudson type. You should be emabarrased to have written such thoughts. Hislop and Thomson were recruiting of the highest stupidity yet people say Thomson is injured and that we should be playing slow as treacle Hislop in the centre. We preach picking up players with skill yet nearly all our picks, including early, mid, late and recycled ones can't kick.

We give JON two years too many yet posters want to give him even more time We take 3 picks in the ND 3 times in 4 years even when we know compromised drafts are coming. We trade down picks. We knock back pick 27 for Schulz who can barely get a game for our twos at the same time as giving away pick 19 for McMahon. Supporters and players treat a 4 point win over Melbourne as though it is a Grand Final victory.

Even today Rawlings says the problem is mental. I've got news for you Jade, it is not mental. Our group players are more devoid of the requirements to be a good AFL team more than any other playing group.

Maybe he just looks at what it was like 5 years ago. It was *smile*ed. And 5 years before that? It was *smile*ed as well. Can we see a pattern emerging?

Unfortunately you don't need a crystal ball to see the future of the RFC list. Maybe a copy of Groundhog Day would be more appropriate.

This pretty much sums it up. It is not the week to week results that determine the posting. It is 27 years of abject failure. Aside from Cousins who is past his best, only Deledio and Cotchin, and perhaps Tambling would be guaranteed a game in any other team.

 

[BillyJean17]

Hurts to say but we have the worst list or worst short term future in the comp. Forget Melbourne and Freo, they will shoot past us next year. Perhaps only the Kangas can match us yet they did to Melbourne wat we couldn't.

Just so many holes to fill.

i think we can play better than that, not sure too many would have concurred after we made mince meat of ESS a couple of weeks ago...a little knee jerk perhaps...wonder if you reckoned st.kilda would be unbeaten in 19 rounds leading into this season...expect the unexpected

 

[Scoop]

Spot on JB. All of it.

I thought Hislop was a good get but I am downgrading him to very unlikely to make it. Thompson, terrible trade. Three picks in a draft, just downright stupid. It is not week to week. Never has been week to week.

 

[Disco08]

I don't agree with that. In fact, it is nonsense.

No it's not. If you can't see the reactive nature of the posting on this forum after every game you've got your eyes closed.

Disco you label Pattison as a Hudson type. You should be emabarrased to have written such thoughts.

Embarrassed? It's a supporter's forum. LMAO.

 

[Harry]

Of course it's true. Read the threads by date and it's all too obvious. How many's a few? 4? 5? How can jimbob possibly know what state our list will be in 5 years from now?

yeah it's true for the head in sand supporters which is basically the majority. those supporters who always overate our list. it's amazing how ferals fluctuate.

jb may not know the state of our list in 5 years time but currently our list is in the bottom 2 and needs major major clean out - its amazing most tiger fans wouldn't trade cousins for a second rounder. as claw says most deserve what they get.

 

[Ridley]

That would make sense if you thought things never change. I know Richmond sucks at football, but things can change.

Unfortunately things never do change at RFC do they.

 

[Tigers of Old]

yeah it's true for the head in sand supporters which is basically the majority. those supporters who always overate our list. it's amazing how ferals fluctuate.

jb may not know the state of our list in 5 years time but currently our list is in the bottom 2 and needs major major clean out - its amazing most tiger fans wouldn't trade cousins for a second rounder. as claw says most deserve what they get.

Here here.

 

[Disco08]

Unfortunately things never do change at RFC do they.

Never say never. If you honestly believe things are never going to change, why are you here?

 

[Ridley]

i think we can play better than that, not sure too many would have concurred after we made mince meat of ESS a couple of weeks ago...a little knee jerk perhaps

Made mince meat of Essendon did we? Pffffttt! We fell in by 5 points and they now haven't won a game for a month. Great victory that was :

 

[DragicevicFan]

i think we can play better than that, not sure too many would have concurred after we made mince meat of ESS a couple of weeks ago...a little knee jerk perhaps...wonder if you reckoned st.kilda would be unbeaten in 19 rounds leading into this season...expect the unexpected

Made mince meat of Essendon?

We fell in against a team with massive injury problems and half fit blokes still on the ground.

Even then we had to withstand 3 goals in the last 2 minutes to just hold on.

 

[bullus_hit]

I think people need to acknowledge young players will be prone to inconsistency, the usual bagging of patto, Graham, McMahon and Jackson is becoming tiresome and is a ridiculous measure of whether we'll be a force in a few years.

Today was one of those days where the likes of Riewoldt, Nahas, Vickery, Post and Edwards had days they would rather forget - naturally over time these will be few and far between, other guys like Hislop and hopefully Rance (although I still have my reservations) will also grow into their roles.

Of course there are holes in the list, most teams have them and if one has a close look at Melbourne and Freo, a similar scenario emerges. To claim we will have the worst list in 3 years time is akin to reading tea leaves. In fact it's so far fetched that I would put my hard earned up for grabs if given the right odds.

 

[Ridley]

Never say never. If you honestly believe things are never going to change, why are you here?

Glutton for punishment I guess. It is my cross to bear.

 

[Ridley]

Any players who can't regularly hit a target or panic under finals type football should be delisted.

Can we have 30 picks in one draft?

 

[jb03]

i think we can play better than that, not sure too many would have concurred after we made mince meat of ESS a couple of weeks ago...a little knee jerk perhaps...wonder if you reckoned st.kilda would be unbeaten in 19 rounds leading into this season...expect the unexpected

Er made mince meat of Essendon!! Please.

Embarrassed? It's a supporter's forum. LMAO.

I don't care what it is. Laugh all you want. I'm embarrassed by some of my posting to, especially my pro Jackson rantings. Admitting you have a problem is the first step to over coming it. The RFC seem to exist in a continual state of denial.

 

[DragicevicFan]

Any players who can't regularly hit a target or panic under finals type football should be delisted.

Finals type football pressure?

We struggle if the opposition put any pressure on at all. We saw what happened when StK put close to finals pressure on - comedy capers in the backline.

 

[Ridley]

I'm embarrassed by some of my posting to, especially my pro Jackson rantings.

So you should be. *smile* Jackson ................................ :hihi :hihi :hihi :hihi