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Worst List in the Comp for the Next few years
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jb03 said:
That's your problem then jimbob. It's all in fun mate. I don't make any decisions that effect the future of the RFC in the slightest so I don't have to feel accountable for or emotional about anything I might have said no matter how stupid it looks in retrospect.
jb03 said:
Denial about what exactly? If you hadn't realised, we are about to get a new coach and sack 8-12 perrenial strugglers. We have begun to recruit quite well over the past few years and have turned in some tidy profits over that same period.
What more do the half glass empties want? You scream about playing the kids yet expect brilliant performances week in and week out.
Something tells me the denial may lay somewhere else.
bullus_hit said:
We've needed to admit we're stuffed for many years.
We've needed to draft and draft heavily for years and refuse to do it - now it is almost too late.
We've needed to keep draft picks but have continually traded them for blokes other clubs have given up without question.
We've needed to move on players without the necessary skill level or decision making to be AFL players but we keep holding on for one more year.
Taking a glass half-full approach has us where we are now!
Raines cant kick or make good decisions, but he tries to break the lines so thats ok.
White cant kick, but gee he is quick so thats ok.
Jackson cant kick to a target, but he kicks long so thats ok.
Pattison cant do anything, but he tries, so thats ok.
King cant kick and gives away stupid free kicks, but he is hard at it, so thats ok.
McGuane is a dumb footballer and constantly turns the ball over, but he competes and runs from defence, so thats ok.
The list goes on....
Close enough is not good enough anymore. We must demand more.
bullus_hit said:
The fact you mention 8-12 perrenial is an indictment on the club and emphasises my point. And huh - "recruit quite well". You are not even sure yourself with that statement. Everytime i hear or read that comments about the playing list like "our list isn't quite that bad" I cringe.
Draga sums it all up well.
DragicevicFan said:
Ease up on Rance, hes only a boy. Hes playing his second or third season. It took Scarlett years to get to the level hes at, and he doesn't have to deal with the volume of ball coming at him that our back line does. Our list has a lot of major floors but i dont think the back lines that bad.jb03 said:
Interesting comments on this thread.
So what DID Wallace actually do for a half-decade contract?
I can't believe the last time I remember our team at top 4 material was in Round 1 2002.
8 years of waste. 8 years.
Everything depends on this next coach......which is exactly what we all said / thought in 1999 and 2004. Geez.
So what DID Wallace actually do for a half-decade contract?
I can't believe the last time I remember our team at top 4 material was in Round 1 2002.
8 years of waste. 8 years.
Everything depends on this next coach......which is exactly what we all said / thought in 1999 and 2004. Geez.
DragicevicFan said:
Are we continually going to bag the same players even if they aren't even on the park?
Different week, different players yet the same ol' lines - if I didn't know better I would have thought the 'Raines can't kick' and 'Patto tries hard but...' were accidently programmed into the autotext feature.
As for the soul searching about our recent drafting, I'm sure the next coach will address the issues present in the list but let's not write off the next 3 years because a bunch of kids were beaten by some very hardened footballers.
In the end, there is only improvement to come as potential is realised and new talent emerges. A new coach might even make a difference, whaddaya reckon?
Unless the new coach is prepared to dispense with blokes with ordinary skills - no, it wont make a bit of difference.
I'm not bagging the players, I'm bagging whoever is responsible for drafting them, developing them, and then, discarding them when time is up, and replacing them with the new group from the draft.
I don't expect us to get every pick right, but I expect we pick players with basic football skills.
I'm not bagging the players, I'm bagging whoever is responsible for drafting them, developing them, and then, discarding them when time is up, and replacing them with the new group from the draft.
I don't expect us to get every pick right, but I expect we pick players with basic football skills.
TigerForce said:
Personally, I don't think the list is as bad as we think.
For example.....what is Rawlings mandate at the moment?
Is he coaching to win games? or coaching to try and give players a try in different positions?
For example...Post comes into the team and shows a little bit, is dubbed a "young Richo" by some of the media clowns....yet where does Rawlings play him for the next couple of weeks?
Bling plays a good quarter or a good half.....and then, is moved all over the place.
Why was Jordan McMahon in the middle for some centre bounces today?
Why didn't Tuck play considering the way Sydney play and that Tuck's strength is his clearance work?
If we had a good coach in the chair now and he was 100% committed to just winning games....I reckon we'd have better performances than what we saw today.
Most on here keep harping on about gaining higher picks and extra picks but don't realise that it all means nothing when we don't have a proper skills and development coach(es) in the club.
The only difference between a Lids (high pick) and a Newman (low pick) are their natural skills and nous. They both still perform at a similar average level in most games.
I'm not questioning the list or Jade. I'm questioning 8 years of waste from Frawley and Wallace. Especially 5 from Wallace.
It's like we need a 'commission' to look into this.
The only difference between a Lids (high pick) and a Newman (low pick) are their natural skills and nous. They both still perform at a similar average level in most games.
Liverpool said:
I'm not questioning the list or Jade. I'm questioning 8 years of waste from Frawley and Wallace. Especially 5 from Wallace.
It's like we need a 'commission' to look into this.
jb03 said:
What did you want me to say? "We have recruited the most oustanding bunch of youngsters the club has ever see!".
I think you're are becoming overly sensitive if the words 'quite well' cut to your very core. How can I possibly make it more palatable for you?
Despite your chronic pessimism, I think the club is moving in the right direction and the list is improving, albeit slowly. We have made blunders over the last few years but at least Craig Cameron has laid some pretty solid foundations, another couple of good players this year and suddenly our midfield and forward line looks a little more formidable.
TigerForce said:
:clap :clap :clap
Its what I have been bleating to the pro-tankers about for a while too, mate.
You only have to read the "JON" thread and the draft picks we missed out on AFTER we chose JON to prove that.
I do question Jade somewhat.
I think the media are overblowing his performances and I don't think he is coaching to win games....and I think that is making our list look worse than what it really is.
I'd love to know what is mandate is.
Liverpool said:
Maybe Livers, I put some stock in that case. But the real question is why are we picking JON ahead of those blokes? Never going to be a footballer. Just the wrong guy, a man with out a spot. Shocking pick. The most staggering pick of the modern Richmond era.
I still think we picked JON because we got spooked by the X factor that Buddy Franklin was showing at Hawthorn. We couldn't afford to pass over another tall, rangy aboriginal type that could amount to something. If you pick well rounded footballers you see less and less of JON types.
Liverpool said:
Why is he in our last 5 or 6 of possible coaches then ??
I hope we don't give the job to this bloke due to favouritism.
It's alright we have Benny Cousins, he can stay for a lifetime as his on field coaching makes all the difference to this team. :clap
