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When will Bernie go !!

Antman that's been our keys.

1. Numbers to the ball

2. Quick transition from D50 to F50

3. Tackling ( ferocious as you sttated )

4. And contested football

5. Unique forward set up.


Completely different game plan to last and previous finals campaigns.

The proof though will be tested first up against a bogey team out to redeem themselves in the Cats AND finals time.

I want Hardwick to succeed even though I've been a critic in years gone by and a supporter of his.
 
Baron Samedi said:
I'm not at the club so I don't know what they'll do, but if we fail to win a final you'd be crazy not to address the state of the list as well as the ability of our head coach.

So we have the youngest list of the current final eight. Do you want a medal for that bald stat? I get the feeling you want a doggy biscuit.

Have you considered that our young players (the mozzies, Short, Rioli, menners, etc) are all flanker types?

That we don't actually have any young KPPs (apart from Garth) or promising pure mids?

You might have enjoyed coming on here all guns blazing, but you haven't actually taken a step back to look at the list.

No young pure mids, one young tall.

Getting a young crop of mids to develop together takes time.

Developing a spine takes even longer.

That's rebuild city buddy, now or in 2020.

If we crash out of September, we need to look at building for the future.

No amount of band aid solutions, as you suggest, will fix this.

You come on here ready to criticise when your solution for a non-existent tall roster is to supplement through trade?

Who do you expect? Tex walker? Joe daniher?

Go watch some footy 123 :hihi

Do you still 100% stand by your opinion to trade Jack and Dusty at the end of the year?
 
Baron Samedi said:
Awww. Playing the downtrodden card is not going to win my respect. And I have plenty for others on here, don't worry about that.

The last thing the numerous people you insult on a regular basis here want from you is to win your respect.
 
antman said:
The last thing the numerous people you insult on a regular basis here want from you is to win your respect.

Oh you mean the geek squad? That's disappointing.
 
toby64 said:
Try and expose the dud list arguments with facts rather than fiction Harry and we can then have a fruitful discussion.

Anyway, I reckon the list is in good shape at the moment. The addition of ready made players and emergence of kids who weren't ready last year has certainly added to it. Certainly bats deeper now than at any time during the "top 4 list' years of 2013-2016. In my opinion.

I had my doubts earlier this season but recent form has made me a believer. And I certainly don't believe that this year's gameplan, with last year's list, would have had us in the top 4. No point having one without the other. And I certainly don't believe that Dimma had no input into this years gameplan either.

I certainly wasn't the only person questioning the quality of the list in previous years. Many people who have been involved in more afl clubs than you or I were of the same view. And many thought Dimma had done a good job getting such a list as far as he did.

Classic toby.

Some were saying the list was good but we need a better faster more direct game plan.

Others were saying the list is a disaster and the game plan wasnt the issue with the duds on the list.
 
123kid said:
Do you still 100% stand by your opinion to trade Jack and Dusty at the end of the year?

Right, so now around 90% of your opening attack has rightly gone up in smoke, you revert to a single statement.

Let's address that then, and you can have your doggy biscuit.

If we go deep into September, I'd be inclined to keep them.

They are superstars and our window is good for maybe another year or two.

But if we crash and burn, and our mids are well beaten in qualifying and semi finals, I'd look seriously at trading both and trading for a Hipwood, a McGovern, and a promising key back whist calling the names of three or four pure mids.

I don't think many (including you) understand the coming train wreck our list currently represents.

Here's your doggy biscuit.
 
Baron Samedi said:
Right, so now around 90% of your opening attack has rightly gone up in smoke, you revert to a single statement.

Let's address that then, and you can have your doggy biscuit.

If we go deep into September, I'd be inclined to keep them.

They are superstars and our window is good for maybe another year or two.

But if we crash and burn, and our mids are well beaten in qualifying and semi finals, I'd look seriously at trading both and grabbing a Hipwood, a McGovern, a promising key back and three or four pure mids from the draft.

I don't think many (including you) understand the coming train wreck our list currently represents.

Here's your doggy biscuit.

Ahh, I see.

I made an error in judgment by attempting to engage in discussion with a professional troll. I'll learn from this and it won't happen again.
 
Baron Samedi said:
If we crash out in straight sets, what's the position then?

It's round 20, imaginatively named 123kid.

We don't have a midfield coming through. I hope we cut deep in September, but where are we at if we give it our best shot and fail?

Superstars aren't getting younger. What is currently a top four list can depreciate quickly. Do you watch football?

So many years already wasted under Hardwick.

So why don't you cool your jets instead of trawling through posts that I stand by 100%?

I know your coping it this morning carts, this is not my intention to gang up however the above just aint true and saying it doesn't make it true..

We have mids coming through, Cellis and Graham are pushing, a lot on here also see Rioli and a couple of others as longer term mids.

Are guns are in their prime, look at the hawks, they pinched one with a young list, then it took a couple of years for their list to be in the prime to win consistently. Having a young list to back up our guns is fantastic and shows we have talent pushing through.

Our KPP hopefully is resolved this draft with 2 x 1st rounders, that's certainly the noise that came out last year when we took Bolton and Graham...
 
123kid said:
Ahh, I see.

I made an error in judgment by attempting to engage in discussion with a professional troll. I'll learn from this and it won't happen again.

Diddums.
 
Harry said:
Classic toby.

Some were saying the list was good but we need a better faster more direct game plan.

Others were saying the list is a disaster and the game plan wasnt the issue with the duds on the list.

Yep. So whats the issue?

All opinions. I just don't make up lies to support mine, that seems to be where the issue lies.
 
Tigertough1974 said:
I know your coping it this morning carts, this is not my intention to gang up however the above just aint true and saying it doesn't make it true..

We have mids coming through, Cellis and Graham are pushing, a lot on here also see Rioli and a couple of others as longer term mids.

Are guns are in their prime, look at the hawks, they pinched one with a young list, then it took a couple of years for their list to be in the prime to win consistently. Having a young list to back up our guns is fantastic and shows we have talent pushing through.

Our KPP hopefully is resolved this draft with 2 x 1st rounders, that's certainly the noise that came out last year when we took Bolton and Graham...

I hope Rioli makes it as a mid, I really do. Apart from him and Menadue, I don't see much else. Rioli might become a ball winner in time, that wouldn't surprise me.

There's not much else going on in key positions and for pure mids.

Controversial, perhaps. Trying to look forward. I reckon our list manager would be nervous.
 
toby64 said:
Yep. So whats the issue?

All opinions. I just don't make up lies to support mine, that seems to be where the issue lies.

Enjoy the finals.
 
You can't be loaded up on both best 22 talent + development 22 talent at the same time.

There are 44 spots on the list and we have an excellent performing talent to age ratio. Best in the league, in fact.

Investing heavily into our list 5 years from now would come at the expense of our performances in 2017, which have placed us at 3rd on the ladder.

It follows that the only argument against performing now is the risk of falling off a cliff later. As the youngest top 8 side in the AFL, we are better prepared for the future than all our rivals.

Don't quote me if you don't understand these basic principles.
 
Baron , take a holiday , your negative tripe *smile* me and lm sure others as well .Come back at me after the GF ..see ya ....
your type prefer the club on its knees , guess that where you do your best work.
And your mate Saigon Tiger tell him to see me in Hanoi and come have a shot at the title .....
 
Baron Samedi said:
I think you're prepared to wait a loooing time for flag 11.

Too forgiving. Symptomatic of many delusional supporters on here.

Sure, it's been a nice ride up to this point. I love being top four, history says it's the best way to launch a flag tilt.

But most level-headed folks here are waiting to see what happens where it counts. They are justified doing so given the club's recent history.

But I enjoy the cheer squad geeks barging in here with vitriol after a win, that's an entertaining sideshow to the glow of victory.

Surely, Baron, you should save yourself all this angst, ensure no risk of any delusions whatsoever, avoid having to wait such "a loooing time for flag 11," and being so "level-headed"?

Simply jump onboard the heavily-AFL sponsored GWS . You cannot miss! Probably a flag this year ... Go on, you're "level-headed."

Why keep doing it to yourself .... and us?
 
123kid said:
You can't be loaded up on both best 22 talent + development 22 talent at the same time.

There are 44 spots on the list and we have an excellent performing talent to age ratio. Best in the league, in fact.

Investing heavily into our list 5 years from now would come at the expense of our performances in 2017, which have placed us at 3rd on the ladder.

It follows that the only argument against performing now is the risk of falling off a cliff later. As the youngest top 8 side in the AFL, we are better prepared for the future than all our rivals.

Don't quote me if you don't understand these basic principles.

Again - age. That all you got?

No mention of position, type, build, skill set?

If only age alone could win us the flag this year. Easy as 123 eh?

Do you wish to address the looming gap in young talls and pure mids or are you simply going to repeat the ''age" mantra, like a parrot?

Should've given you a cracker instead.

But good on you for coming back for more.
 
Again, only quote me if you understand the concepts I'm putting forward and can comment on those concepts.
 
123kid said:
Again, only quote me if you understand the concepts I'm putting forward and can comment on those concepts.

I have addressed your critique candidly, explaining clearly my rationale for a potential rebuild.

Alas, you have failed to adequately respond to my counter.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it hinges on the fact that we have the youngest list in the eight.

Devastating riposte.

And hell yes, I will quote you when and how I like, if only for a laugh.