Baloo said:
Clangers
Richmond 936 @ 58.5 per game. ranked 1st for clangers per game
Opposition 903 @ 56.4 per game
-
IMPORTANT // Please look after your loved ones, yourself and be kind to others. If you are feeling that the world is too hard to handle there is always help - I implore you not to hesitate in contacting one of these wonderful organisations Lifeline and Beyond Blue ... and I'm sure reaching out to our PRE community we will find a way to help. T.
When will Bernie go !!
- Thread starter Tigaman
- Start date
Clangers
Richmond 936 @ 58.5 per game. ranked 1st for clangers per game
Opposition 903 @ 56.4 per game
So. Did you go and watch the game CTT? I went n then watched a recording after. Pretty poor standard game for at least the first half, elevated a bit in the second half. Seriously bog average skills n decision making by a raft of players in Tigers jumpers.CarnTheTiges said:
I've never in my entire life claimed our entire list is *smile*, that's nothing more than your over fertile imagination running rampant.
Been saying for a few years now we've got a mid tier list and it's been proven by our ladder finishes, our failures in finals, our regular beltings from opposition teams, our inability to beat the crap out of the opposition on anything more than the rarest occasion and our consistent losses to teams that most would deem to be very little threat to us during a season.
Some posters are simply satisfied in blaming n bashing Dimma or Spud or Plough or Geisch, Walls, K.B. Swooper or any other previous coach you'd like to think of for our failings. Me, I'm far happier to spread the load, our recruiters have been average at best over the years n so has the performance and output of our players at times.
Do you reckon it was Dimma's fault that St Kiddinme beat the absolute *smile* out of us last week? Maybe you blame Dimma for Dusty and a few others butchering the ball during the first half against Brisvegas? Was probably Dimma's fault as well that we kicked 5 goals 11 points at one stage during the game.
It's pretty simple, I've been a Tiger supporter for 50 years, I traded myself out of the Cats as a kid. I always want us to play finals n win flags, but I've also got a healthy dose of reality / cynicism locked into the thought process. We should make finals again this year, I'd love us to win a flag but I don't believe we are consistent or capable of more than perhaps winning a final, don't believe we're good enough to win a flag. Doggies did the once in a lifetime fairy tale last year, it's gone n won't be back this year.
Something's happened to the team since the port win, looks like our form has dropped away badly
Next 6 games look very very tricky, we need to find some form quickly otherwise we can still miss the 8, and if we happen to make the 8 playing like this, we'll be out straight away
We have to turn things around asap
Next 6 games look very very tricky, we need to find some form quickly otherwise we can still miss the 8, and if we happen to make the 8 playing like this, we'll be out straight away
We have to turn things around asap
Nah, not quite Yin. I jumped on board at the start of the 67 season. Flag in my first year n another big handful not long after that. Been fairly Barren Samedi since our last appearance though. There's even been a couple of family members tried hanging *smile* on me over the amount of finals n flags the Cats have played over the last thirty years, telling me I shoulda stayed with the Cats, but by my count I'm still a couple of flags ahead at the moment.YinnarTiger said:
Baloo said:
Simple, I'd say. We commit so many clangers that we drag other sides down to our level. Inversely, we actually lift our standard of performance against better quality opposition. Just look at our record against the Dawks even over their dominant period.
Ummm, no. It means our defensive game is built around pressure being applied by pace.
As can be seen by us setting an all-time record for forward half turnovers.
Thus the clanger count is not a result of dragging teams down to our level, quite the opposite.
Unfortunately we don't have the skills along with a few structural weaknesses to capitalise - we are still having too many ourselves.
On the record against the Hawks. Again that is an outlier. Our record against good teams in recent years is very poor. Likewise we don't drop many games against poor teams either. We are actually fairly consistent in that regard.
As can be seen by us setting an all-time record for forward half turnovers.
Thus the clanger count is not a result of dragging teams down to our level, quite the opposite.
Unfortunately we don't have the skills along with a few structural weaknesses to capitalise - we are still having too many ourselves.
On the record against the Hawks. Again that is an outlier. Our record against good teams in recent years is very poor. Likewise we don't drop many games against poor teams either. We are actually fairly consistent in that regard.
Leysy Days said:
Yes Leysy, correct weight.
Dusty is a clanger king this year but that is game plan.
Dimma has been prepared to cough it up as long as there is cover down back.
So far you'd have to say it's worked.
For every clanger Dusty commits, he lasers a 45/45 that sets up a goal.
It's an attractive style of footy, infinitely better than the porridge of 2015-16.
willo said:
Clangers alone mean nothing. For clangers compared to opposition in games we're 4th highest. But Geelong are 5th and North and Carlton are 15th and 16th respectively. It reflects the pressure of the game or the risks you take in your game plan. Saying that, against the Saints for example, the number of unforced turnovers under no pressure was unbelievable.
On the comp at large:
1) The current gen of kids are more prone to inconsistency then previous crops.
2) eighteen teams has thinned the talent pool
3) the AFL's equalisation measures are finally kicking in big time.
What does this all mean?
For starters, you get a log jam from 3rd to 12th. Second, you get teams "not turning up" in any given week.
I reckon teams are mapping out their campaigns far differently than they used to. With more kids on lists and advances in conditioning research, teams are no longer taking it week to week.
It is now accepted that players will be rotated for a variety of reasons, both physical and mental. Clubs know that any oppo can win on the day, and that you cannot go full throttle every single time.
Yes, it's still a desperate struggle to make the eight, but the focus is on a much broader scale than single games.
This is why we'll match GWS this week. We may not be good enough, but I suspect we've been managed fairly well thus far.
Would be nice to be top four, but we have quite a few young blokes. Will be interesting to see if Dimma is able to survive to see the likes of Rioli, Short and Bolton come of age.
All up, I am philosophical. Football is changing rapidly, and I don't think a belting need be such a deflating event like it was 6-7 years ago.
Kids are different cats these days.
1) The current gen of kids are more prone to inconsistency then previous crops.
2) eighteen teams has thinned the talent pool
3) the AFL's equalisation measures are finally kicking in big time.
What does this all mean?
For starters, you get a log jam from 3rd to 12th. Second, you get teams "not turning up" in any given week.
I reckon teams are mapping out their campaigns far differently than they used to. With more kids on lists and advances in conditioning research, teams are no longer taking it week to week.
It is now accepted that players will be rotated for a variety of reasons, both physical and mental. Clubs know that any oppo can win on the day, and that you cannot go full throttle every single time.
Yes, it's still a desperate struggle to make the eight, but the focus is on a much broader scale than single games.
This is why we'll match GWS this week. We may not be good enough, but I suspect we've been managed fairly well thus far.
Would be nice to be top four, but we have quite a few young blokes. Will be interesting to see if Dimma is able to survive to see the likes of Rioli, Short and Bolton come of age.
All up, I am philosophical. Football is changing rapidly, and I don't think a belting need be such a deflating event like it was 6-7 years ago.
Kids are different cats these days.
Aren't we also high up the list of free kicks against? These are counted as clangers too? Perhaps our actual turnovers by hand or foot are not as dire as the stats suggest. (although i applied the eye test at the brisbane game and the result was pretty dire...)tigerlove said:
Leysy Days said:
I respectfully disagree. Prior to last year when we were crap against everyone our record against the top3 between 2013- 2015- the Hawks, Dockers and Swans would have been as good as anyones.
Ice said:
Hey Ice, check out www.footywire.com.au
The site has a huge range of stats and other info. Don't know if it has figures on unforced errors, but have a look anyway.
