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Absolutely unequivocally not true. Vlastuin will & has taken himself into places that angels fear to tread.

I‘m open to trading Vlastuin but the above statement is a huge disservice to Nick. Chalk and cheese.
Agreed. Almost choked on my tea when I saw the comparison.
Vlastuin crashes packs and is one of the best contested overhead marks for his height in the league.
Brown has a very limited aerial game from what we’ve seen so far.
People get so carried away with neat footskills but you’ve got to get the damn ball first. I’d pick Tresize first if I was building my backline
 
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Agreed. Almost choked on my tea when I saw the comparison.
Vlastuin crashes packs and is one of the best contested overhead marks for his height in the league.
Brown has a very limited aerial game from what we’ve seen so far.
People get so carried away with neat footskills but you’ve got to get the damn ball first. I’d pick Tresize first if I was building my backline
Brown is fine for aerial skills. He's a bit light on, so could do with some more bulk so he doesn't get pushed out of the contest. But he's a good judge of where the balls going to drop, and will be a good intercept mark.

I don't see him having the physicality that Vlaustin has, although I can see him playing that intercept/rebounding HBF role. He'll just do it differently to NV. Vlaustin's one of the most courageous in our team, Brown's got a long way to go to reach those heights.
 
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Absolutely unequivocally not true. Vlastuin will & has taken himself into places that angels fear to tread.

I‘m open to trading Vlastuin but the above statement is a huge disservice to Nick. Chalk and cheese.
I never said he was the equal of Vlastuin or is anywhere near as good as Vlastuin. I merely made the comment that Browns role in the VFL team is equivalent to the role Vlastuin plays at AFL level.

I hope that clears that up.
 
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Agreed. Almost choked on my tea when I saw the comparison.
Vlastuin crashes packs and is one of the best contested overhead marks for his height in the league.
Brown has a very limited aerial game from what we’ve seen so far.
People get so carried away with neat footskills but you’ve got to get the damn ball first. I’d pick Tresize first if I was building my backline
Disagree totally he's really good over head.
 
Agreed. Almost choked on my tea when I saw the comparison.
Vlastuin crashes packs and is one of the best contested overhead marks for his height in the league.
Brown has a very limited aerial game from what we’ve seen so far.
People get so carried away with neat footskills but you’ve got to get the damn ball first. I’d pick Tresize first if I was building my backline
Once again no one is suggesting Brown plays the role anywhere near the level of Vlastuin. But it’s clear that’s what they are wanting him to develop into.

I hope no one had to perform the Heimlich manoeuvre whilst you were choking on your tea.
 
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Brown is fine for aerial skills. He's a bit light on, so could do with some more bulk so he doesn't get pushed out of the contest. But he's a good judge of where the balls going to drop, and will be a good intercept mark.

I don't see him having the physicality that Vlaustin has, although I can see him playing that intercept/rebounding HBF role. He'll just do it differently to NV. Vlaustin's one of the most courageous in our team, Brown's got a long way to go to reach those heights.
Brown may be fine overhead.
But he’s not a shade on Vlastuin and I’m not sure he’ll ever be. Broad is a better comparison because although he’s good overhead, it’s not the vital component of his game.
If Brown is to play anywhere like the role Vlastuin is playing, he needs to take 3-5 overhead marks a game starting now.
That’s what Trzise is doing in the VFL. And he’s a stick figure.
 
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Brown may be fine overhead.
But he’s not a shade on Vlastuin and I’m not sure he’ll ever be. Broad is a better comparison because although he’s good overhead, it’s not the vital component of his game.
If Brown is to play anywhere like the role Vlastuin is playing, he needs to take 3-5 overhead marks a game starting now.
That’s what Trzise is doing in the VFL. And he’s a stick figure.
you know, they both play for RFC? I don't care which of the two of them take the most marks. What I want to see is they make a cohesive back 6, and help us get to our next premiership.

I'm not sure why you have to play the two of them off against each other. He doesn't "have" to do anything, but fill his role.
Especially saying he has to do it "starting now". It is his first game of AFL football, and if everything goes the way most folks
expect, we're going to get touched up a bit here. He'd be lucky to get a dozen possessions, particularly when Vlaustin etc are still playing.
 
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you know, they both play for RFC? I don't care which of the two of them take the most marks. What I want to see is they make a cohesive back 6, and help us get to our next premiership.

I'm not sure why you have to play the two of them off against each other. He doesn't "have" to do anything, but fill his role.
Especially saying he has to do it "starting now". It is his first game of AFL football, and if everything goes the way most folks
expect, we're going to get touched up a bit here. He'd be lucky to get a dozen possessions, particularly when Vlaustin etc are still playing.
You may find your comprehension skills work better in the morning.
Please reread what I’m saying and if you still feel the same response is required, perhaps a short course may assist in that area.
I’m clearly saying if he is to fulfill the Vlastuin role he needs to start taking contested marks. I didn’t say in the AFL.
I’m talking about his future role.
He cannot play the Vlastuin role atm because it centres around contested marks and rebounding defence.
If you watch him play, Brown gets most of his possessions by feeding off a team mate and distributing the ball. He actually plays more like Short although he’s far better overhead. He does read the ball well in flight so there’s room for improvement but he doesn’t get the height regularly that great aerialists do from what I’ve seen
 
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Hopefully the kid gets a go this weekend. Be a nice to get a taste before a big pre season
 
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Once again no one is suggesting Brown plays the role anywhere near the level of Vlastuin. But it’s clear that’s what they are wanting him to develop into.

I hope no one had to perform the Heimlich manoeuvre whilst you were choking on your tea.
And Vlastuin when he started wasn’t the Vlastuin he became. Let’s give Brown a few games at the top level before writing him off.
 
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You may find your comprehension skills work better in the morning.
Please reread what I’m saying and if you still feel the same response is required, perhaps a short course may assist in that area.
I’m clearly saying if he is to fulfill the Vlastuin role he needs to start taking contested marks. I didn’t say in the AFL.
I’m talking about his future role.
He cannot play the Vlastuin role atm because it centres around contested marks and rebounding defence.
If you watch him play, Brown gets most of his possessions by feeding off a team mate and distributing the ball. He actually plays more like Short although he’s far better overhead. He does read the ball well in flight so there’s room for improvement but he doesn’t get the height regularly that great aerialists do from what I’ve seen
Anyone can play the vlaistin role at the moment hes been terrible at stopping his player this year almost disinterested at times early in the year and again late in the year. Yes he can intercept mark but christ he needs to start by not letting his opponent kick goals each week
 
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Anyone can play the vlaistin role at the moment hes been terrible at stopping his player this year almost disinterested at times early in the year and again late in the year. Yes he can intercept mark but christ he needs to start by not letting his opponent kick goals each week
Yep. He’s my number 1 trade target. Not because I want to get rid of him for the sake of it. He just appears disinterested and not switched on. Needs a fresh start. And would fetch a decent Draft return - he still has currency.
 
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You may find your comprehension skills work better in the morning.
Please reread what I’m saying and if you still feel the same response is required, perhaps a short course may assist in that area.
I’m clearly saying if he is to fulfill the Vlastuin role he needs to start taking contested marks. I didn’t say in the AFL.
I’m talking about his future role.
He cannot play the Vlastuin role atm because it centres around contested marks and rebounding defence.
If you watch him play, Brown gets most of his possessions by feeding off a team mate and distributing the ball. He actually plays more like Short although he’s far better overhead. He does read the ball well in flight so there’s room for improvement but he doesn’t get the height regularly that great aerialists do from what I’ve seen

You've got an inability to understand the pure arrogance you come across with, and your holier than thou attitude is *smile* is just annoying.
What you might have misread, oh master of linguistics, is that I was largely agreeing with you about Vlaustin and Brown. I think they're chalk and cheese in terms of what they're producing now. I just think the roles can be achieved differently. We don't need carbon paper for Brown to replace Vlaustin. That said....

Vlaustin averages less than one contested mark a game. There's no doubting his ability to do this - his heart is bigger than your mouth, which is bloody huge.
But he doesn't actually go get the ball in a contest a lot. (123 CM in 210 games or 0.6 per game).
Over his career, Vlaustin averages 5.7 marks a game - although in his first 2 years he was 4.6. In his first 32 games (first 2 years at a much harder AFL LEVEL) , he took 10 contest marks out of his 164 marks. This year 15 of his marks have been contested, out of 140.

Brown hasn't been given the indulgence of walking into a team where most of the list were spuds not suited to AFL standard. He's had to sit in the backblocks waiting for us to chase an elusive 4th premiership, and with no real injuries to the players in front for his role. In short, limited opportunity for him to come up a level in comparison to Vlaustin's early career. He's also struggled to get health - which is a concern. 26 games in 2 years isn't great, although this year was somewhat out of his control.

Now, we've only got VFL data to go by, and it's limited in what the public can see. But Brown has taken 109 marks in 26 games (available data), which is 4.2 a game.
I'd hazard a guess from what I've seen, that he's probably taken more than 1 in every 16 marks in a contest albeit it at an easier level. That's at least comparable with the volume that Vlaustin has achieved over his career.

The point of all the stats? It highlights that Vlaustin started out taking a lot less contest marks than he does nowadays and that even now most of his marks aren't contested (he's now about 1 in 10 marks being contest).
Does Brown have the same body or courage Vlaustin has? No. He hasn't displayed that life about to end desperation either that makes Nick one of my faves.
But just like Brown, Nick started slowly and grew into the player we see today. Just like Brown, Vlaustin had his early critics too, but he came good.

I think you're perceiving a role that Nick plays, that isn't backed up by data. Your projecting your own bias about how useful Brown is, into your opinions.
Data doesn't support your arguments.

Lastly, whilst I undertake a short course in reading comprehension, maybe you can pop down here and go get your eyes checked.
 
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Brown seems to be closer to Short with my limited viewing, that's one reason I'm not placing Short in the untouchable category.
 
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You've got an inability to understand the pure arrogance you come across with, and your holier than thou attitude is *smile* is just annoying.
What you might have misread, oh master of linguistics, is that I was largely agreeing with you about Vlaustin and Brown. I think they're chalk and cheese in terms of what they're producing now. I just think the roles can be achieved differently. We don't need carbon paper for Brown to replace Vlaustin. That said....

Vlaustin averages less than one contested mark a game. There's no doubting his ability to do this - his heart is bigger than your mouth, which is bloody huge.
But he doesn't actually go get the ball in a contest a lot. (123 CM in 210 games or 0.6 per game).
Over his career, Vlaustin averages 5.7 marks a game - although in his first 2 years he was 4.6. In his first 32 games (first 2 years at a much harder AFL LEVEL) , he took 10 contest marks out of his 164 marks. This year 15 of his marks have been contested, out of 140.

Brown hasn't been given the indulgence of walking into a team where most of the list were spuds not suited to AFL standard. He's had to sit in the backblocks waiting for us to chase an elusive 4th premiership, and with no real injuries to the players in front for his role. In short, limited opportunity for him to come up a level in comparison to Vlaustin's early career. He's also struggled to get health - which is a concern. 26 games in 2 years isn't great, although this year was somewhat out of his control.

Now, we've only got VFL data to go by, and it's limited in what the public can see. But Brown has taken 109 marks in 26 games (available data), which is 4.2 a game.
I'd hazard a guess from what I've seen, that he's probably taken more than 1 in every 16 marks in a contest albeit it at an easier level. That's at least comparable with the volume that Vlaustin has achieved over his career.

The point of all the stats? It highlights that Vlaustin started out taking a lot less contest marks than he does nowadays and that even now most of his marks aren't contested (he's now about 1 in 10 marks being contest).
Does Brown have the same body or courage Vlaustin has? No. He hasn't displayed that life about to end desperation either that makes Nick one of my faves.
But just like Brown, Nick started slowly and grew into the player we see today. Just like Brown, Vlaustin had his early critics too, but he came good.

I think you're perceiving a role that Nick plays, that isn't backed up by data. Your projecting your own bias about how useful Brown is, into your opinions.
Data doesn't support your arguments.

Lastly, whilst I undertake a short course in reading comprehension, maybe you can pop down here and go get your eyes checked.
Please stop responding to any of my posts.
You’re impossible to discuss a topic with.
Youre the first to criticise and bait and have the audacity to threaten to ban people for doing the same. You have zero comprehension skills but want me to rationally discuss topics with you but you then distort what I’m saying.
Please block me because I’ve had enough of you.
 
So this reignites the great debate about Brown’s height. Trezise is apparently 188cm… Brown listed at 193cm but apparently only 186cm. Clears Trezise easily :unsure:IMG_2542.jpeg
 
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