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Welcome Tom Brown
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The recruiting staff had obviously been watching him for a long time, certainly more than a game or two. They saw something in him that they liked & that's why we drafted him. The fact that he's been injured is unfortunate & not something that anyone (especially him) would like. All draftees only want one thing & that is to play games to show what they're capable of. They all want to play at the top level (AFL) that is their dream, that's why they put themselves in the draft. They don't want to to just play VFL footy.
Tom's signed until the end of 2025, obviously the club & he believe that he's got something to offer.
I think a little bit of patience is required, let him have a chance to show what he's capable of before we write him off.
As others have said, some guys take a bit longer than others to mature into good players.
I look forward to see what Tom can do over the next 18 months or so.
Tom's signed until the end of 2025, obviously the club & he believe that he's got something to offer.
I think a little bit of patience is required, let him have a chance to show what he's capable of before we write him off.
As others have said, some guys take a bit longer than others to mature into good players.
I look forward to see what Tom can do over the next 18 months or so.
Its hard to mark him without bringing in the deadly “potential “ tag
, however from what I’ve seen as a junior I think he is that classic modern day 3rd man up marker and run and carry long kicker , Broady , Tiggy and Grimes are not getting any younger , Short dosent play a lot at half back anymore and DRioli gets sat on a bit now such is his success as half back , I actually like the thought of Brown , Short or DRioli on a wing opposite to KMac . For all the talk about having too many flankers, there’s not a lot of guaranteed 150 gamers amongst them . Trezise may end up a star , however 18 clubs have overlooked him numerous times , so his far from even debuting.Thats nothing like what I am saying. Poshie suggested there wasnt a clear path for him to get into the team, i havent seen him play VFL this year, but there is certainly a spot available for him soon if he is good enough.
For all I know in 3 years he could be the best player in the AFL.
I think the club has given him a long lead time to be AFL ready. Not to say he shouldn't be pushing for selection before the end of his contract of course (ideally he puts pressure on others starting his next match), but with a contract out until 25, my guess is they see him filling a void when the incumbents are near the end, not in the next 12 months. They want a smooth transition between eras rather than a drop before a rise again.
There's a strategy here, just one we may not fully understand or are comfortable with.
Interestingly, the Richmond Website has a match report (Richmond Media Brenton Mann), that lists Brown as our third best behind Sonsie and Banks.
I mean, I'm sure Brenton doesn’t ask Morris to review before it gets distributed, but surely the club must have thought he was OK if we're listing him in the bests?
But what did you think of his game?
So far all you’ve done is quoted stats and reports from other people.
Did you actually watch the game or are you just a defender of the downtrodden?
This is the Tom Brown thread, it is about Tom Brown the player. Half of what is posted here is about what number he was picked and who else we should have picked instead of him.
Personally I would prefer to discuss a Richmond footballer and how he is going as a Richmond player.
If I want to post about drafting I will go to a drafting thread.
Got nothing to do with being a Fanboy, it is about a veiled criticism of a kid based on something he can’t control ie where he was drafted
Anyway that’s my view
Off about 50% of the VFL Stream, i thought he was solid, clearly not spectacular. He's not bashing down the door clearly, but for a second game back, after barely touching it the week before, it was a decent step forward. Encouraging.
Some of his defensive work looked OK. He was fairly active and tried to stay in the contest (better than I remember of him from the few games I saw last year anyhow).
From what I saw he looked pretty clean below his knees (small sample size). Didn't notice much overhead.
Hard to tell off the Stream what he's doing off the ball or whether he's choosing the best option down field, which is why I'm not super keen on relying on it as a place to determine a players fate....
But I do like to hear the club's, as they know specifically what it is they are asking for, and whether he's doing it. No one here would know.
I'll repeat though, what do you in your learned opinion, think of the club listing him in the best? PR exercise, or do you think they were at least satisfied with his output? Do you think some of those expectations are tempered by how long he's been out of the game?
I’d rather debate this with someone who watches football and has an original opinion, not debates his opinions based on newspaper articles.
Next you’ll be quoting Cornes and Robinson.
So, I answer your question, you move the goal posts. You asked had I seen something. I'd seen a little. Open. Honest. I make no apologies for it.
We have PROFESSIONAL COACHES however who have said sign Brown up to a multi year deal. We have a club who say he's performed adequately enough to be listed in our bests. We have people understanding enough to realise some folks won't step straight back into a side and be getting 25 disposals. Development in any sport is not linear. Neither is performance. But you have a black and white attitude where he's AFL calibre every week, or he's a wasted draft pick with no potential.
You're pushing an agenda. Probably based off a side that's frustrating performance wise or based off a desire to have a young KPF in the wings.
Interestingly, I've asked you to see how your opinion stacks up against the paid professionals at our club. You're holy than thou attitude is beyond belief. You either are that arrogant you believe you know better than those paid professionals, or realise you've backed yourself into a corner and have no way out.
Don't argue? Should be Can't argue.
Wow that’s a sooky response, I thought you were better than that.
I have an opinion.
I’m not smarter than the paid professionals at the club.
I am smarter than many of the media who are paid to print clickbate tripe.
I don’t agree with the voting of Brown in the bests.
My agenda is I’m worried Brown is a bust but hope he isn’t as I’ve posted ad nauseam.
I would have preferred a KP forward and make no apologies for that.
Apologies that I’m fatigued with defending my opinion.
Next preseason will be important for the kid. But no different to Gibcus, Campbell or Smith. They might be some handy inclusions if they can get their bodies right and a bit continuity in their footy.
From Morro:
Tom Brown (22 disposals, eight rebound-50s, two marks)
"A really pleasing effort from him on the back off his first game back from injury last week. It was clear that he wanted the footy in his hands and I thought he was pretty solid defensively as well."
He also said in the interview with Manfred: "He's one I'm really proud of, cos he's missed a lot of footy this season. He had a fantastic pre-season, had a real big focus to increase his defence and some of his cues surrounding that, and how he could get on top of that. I thought he had a really good starting point last week, just from a defensive point of view, and then this week to back it up, I think in contest he was really good, he's exceptionally clean when he gets the footy, makes great decisions, so the more that we can see him out on the park in the second half of the year the better."
Tom Brown (22 disposals, eight rebound-50s, two marks)
"A really pleasing effort from him on the back off his first game back from injury last week. It was clear that he wanted the footy in his hands and I thought he was pretty solid defensively as well."
He also said in the interview with Manfred: "He's one I'm really proud of, cos he's missed a lot of footy this season. He had a fantastic pre-season, had a real big focus to increase his defence and some of his cues surrounding that, and how he could get on top of that. I thought he had a really good starting point last week, just from a defensive point of view, and then this week to back it up, I think in contest he was really good, he's exceptionally clean when he gets the footy, makes great decisions, so the more that we can see him out on the park in the second half of the year the better."
He's a beautiful kick. He should be taking them.He definitely wanted the ball in his hands.
Wouldn’t let anyone else take the kick ins.
Assuming he hasnt been to the CC School of player write ups, that does sound promising.
I think Morro tried to balance his view that "we were sh1t and got flogged" with some positives.
