Welcome to Tigers: Jason Castagna

[Leysy Days]

Also on your Josh Thomas comparison. Not horses for courses.

Thomas plays further up the ground. Kane Lambert is our closest comparison role wise. i.e. high forward pushing through midfield.

 

[easy_tiger]

One other question - Would you play Menzel ahead of George if on our list?

great question Leysy.

If I may presume to answer hypothetically on behalf of the RFC Match Committee

"We wouldnt play Menzel in our AFLW team if he had gender realignment surgery. He is THE laziest, softest, most one-way footballer in the game. He is The Contra-Richmond Man'

a well made point.

 

[TigerForce]

Some narrow minded views on George here.

Small forward so he must kick goals or be considered a failure?

Turn it up.

The function of our three amigos is to chase, harass, haunt, disturb, degrade, create, assist, secure as well as score.

We’re sittin’ on top with nary a care in the world. The structures are working and George is in the thick of it.

I think the main criticism on him are those 'spasm attacks' when he kicks the ball on the run.

 

[Baron Samedi]

I think the main criticism on him are those 'spasm attacks' when he kicks the ball on the run.

thats a good description TF :hihi

he started off the year with more poise, could be a fatigue thing

 

[Baron Samedi]

Wow, I can see this is the George can do no wrong thread, best leave it to the experts. :-X

whilst I am certainly no expert, I do appreciate what george brings to the table bully

 

[MD Jazz]

he started off the year with more poise, could be a fatigue thing

poise and George are rarely paired

 

[tigerdave]

You probably also thought Selwood and/or Dangerfield had a bigger impact on the result than our Chimp.

One other question - Would you play Menzel ahead of George if on our list?

No!

 

[KnightersRevenge]

The thing I noticed the last couple was Georgie blazing away when there were options available. His ability to snap goals is pretty poor. People have talked about our "unselfishness". Time Georgie lowered his eyes.

 

[TigerForce]

thats a good description TF :hihi

he started off the year with more poise, could be a fatigue thing

More psychological I think. Looks worried most times. Sooner or later he'll find his comfort zone again.....hopefully not too later.

 

[leon]

Some narrow minded views on George here.

Small forward so he must kick goals or be considered a failure?

Turn it up.

The function of our three amigos is to chase, harass, haunt, disturb, degrade, create, assist, secure as well as score.

We’re sittin’ on top with nary a care in the world. The structures are working and George is in the thick of it.

Just never realised the scoreboard was so irrelevant, almost an afterthought. What a relief; now we can all just sit back and relish all this 'chase, harass, haunt, disturb, degrade, create, assist, secure' ing.

We won the Moggies game by 3 pts. Beaten by 3 other sides this year.

You reek of complacency ... rest assured our opponents are not. Very fortunate weekend last round for us - results and injuries. But a team's fortunes can alter in the blink of an eye.

 

[leon]

From memory he has kicked two goals from set shots the last two games, i'm sure that will give him some confidence.

He has obviously been working hard on his set shot goal kicking, and has improved it somewhat. Can't expect him to kick all of them, but if he maintains his latest technique i reckon he'll kick more than he misses. This with his other skill sets will make him a vital player in the finals.

Hope you're right. He practises all the time at training apparently, but he's still erratic. Often has little bearing on match-day performance. Very much depends on where his head is at on the day or time I think. An anxious type.

 

[leon]

You probably also thought Selwood and/or Dangerfield had a bigger impact on the result than our Chimp.

One other question - Would you play Menzel ahead of George if on our list?

Not sure what game you were watching Hazy, but clearly Moggies midfield beat ours soundly, i.e. cumulative across all players. Kelly was excellent. Don't get smart about Cotch; I watch him closely and miss little that he does. But here's the thing, HDL, pressure points are mostly required and useful when you don't have the ball and the opposition does. Then, you know what ... it's pretty hard to score without the ball.

So, and this may shock you, but I want my players to get the ball, keep it, use it well and score. Dominate possession and effective offence. Because who scores the most wins.

You need to pay attention more too. Menzel claimed he suffered a groin strain, but I can't remember what quarter he said it happened. Still managed a top CM over Vlastuin followed by a vital 50m goal early in the last that helped propel them back into the game. He might have finished on the bench thereafter however. Thought George drifted right out of it myself after his two good goals. On face value, Menzel still had the better game on all indicators except PPs, of course.

What if you just over-rate them (PPs) grossly? Won by 3 pts and Ablett missed. I don't get carried away like you.

 

[Leysy Days]

Nice post, but didn't answer leysy's questions. Pretty quick to point the bone if someone does same to you.

 

[leon]

Also on your Josh Thomas comparison. Not horses for courses.

Thomas plays further up the ground. Kane Lambert is our closest comparison role wise. i.e. high forward pushing through midfield.

Knew you might find that comparison, which I actually did on a whim like I said, uncomfortable. I thought you may have comeback with, but he's older, more games. Yes, but Thomas missed a lot of football with his disqualification. Probably lucky to be in the side, only due to Elliot and Fasolo's long-running injury problems. But beats JC comfortably on many key indicators.

But you don't like that one because "Not horses for courses." OK, how about with my very 2nd impulsive choice (I swear). A first year player. The point is stop pumping JC's tyres up excessively: the "key to the FL" ... "our magnificent CHF" bulldust. He's a very handy player with some strong attributes, but a work in progress too with a long way to go yet.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=19&playerStatus2=A&tid2=15&type=A&pid1=6377&pid2=4123&fid1=S&fid2=S

 

[Leysy Days]

So let leysy get this straight, you are comparing George to someone who:

- Kicks less goals
- Has less goal assists
- Tackles less overall.
- Tackles waaayyy less inside 50
- Has more clangers
- Has waaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy less inside 50 marks
- Has less score involvements

And is over a year older.

Best try again Leonie.

 

[leon]

Very selective edits there HDL, as I'd expect from you. I could just as easily cite the stats Willie is ahead on. But that's boring, for anyone that can look and read clearly. The point is that although Rioli is a year older, a mature-age recruit, he's in his first year.

Then just go to the bottom and look who is rated more valuable overall, on both AFL fantasy and Supercoach, as broad summative evaluations. In your original "George is our amazing CHF post", you claimed he was unique in the AFL, didn't you? He's not!! Try noticing effective disposals in some of these; here's another one you'll love:

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=10&playerStatus2=A&tid2=15&type=A&pid1=3330&pid2=4123&fid1=C&fid2=C

 

[leon]

Nice post, but didn't answer leysy's questions. Pretty quick to point the bone if someone does same to you.

Ok, maybe I'd take Menzel but I can't evaluate him adequately at present. That's because he hasn't actually played many games against us recently. Either out injured, or Scott refused to play him against us in that 2017 final when he was coming back from injury. Then didn't he kick a few in the final against the Crows?
He's certainly injury prone and his career has been marred by those awful knee issues.

Very different players, different strengths. Menzel is a far more deadly kick though, while George tackles and applies greater pressure ... by a long way. But note Menzel wins both more CPs and UPs. If you look at the Footywire comparison, it's not so clear-cut as your bias leads you to think.

If they were both at my club, I'd choose based on fitness, recent form and the rest of the FL make-up/mix. It's not so definitive for me.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Excerpt from Octopussy:

Bond - “You know how to run this thing, Q?”

Q - “It goes by hot air.”

Bond - “Oh, then you do.”

 

[Jumping Jack]

Menzel didn’t play against us in that final, as he doesn’t put on enough pressure... and although he did kick a couple of goals the following week when recalled, his lack of pressure once again was scrutinised.

Would love to have a stat on how many marking contests George has halved - this is his true value to the team. As I’ve said before, best sub 6ft CHF in the comp.

 

[easy_tiger]

Ok, maybe I'd take Menzel but I can't evaluate him adequately at present.

Im more than happy to evaluate him if you need a hand leon.

Just let me know ;D

poise and George are rarely paired

:hihi