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leon said:
Inside 50 marks:
Jack 62
George 32
Caddy 20
Dusty 14
Towna 13
Butler 12
Moore 11
Note: Rioli has 3.
That might help explain to Leonie's little mind the order of our targets inside 50 this year along with the point of difference George brings to our other small forwards, he is clearly our number two target going forward and why he is crucial to our setup. i.e. he can mark in our forward line, the other smalls can't.
Double note: This doesn't mean your little mind leysy believes Goerge is better than the Daniels. Just very different in what they bring - Goerge plays tall.
Combine that with his ability to rarely get outmarked against the tallest of defenders, often outnumbered and tackling pressure/ability - it shows why the astute observer knows why he will never get dropped this year.
MD Jazz said:
I've simply argued he is not a CHF, and he has real strengths along with deficiencies he needs to work on improving.
I'm not saying he will be dropped either, just that he has to develop more poise and take advantage of opportunities more reliably. Otherwise others may take his position. You, along with others, claim he's a CHF. Not in my book, ever. At 0.8 marks per game? No.
Leysy Days said:
Firstly, pleased to see I've prompted you into putting some work into a post. Secondly, thanks for going to the trouble to endorse my post about Jack being clearly the main target and only true KPF at RFC. So how does this back your silly claim he's our CHF? Which is the central difference of opinion we have? You seem to have conceded that then, he's not one?
At a glance, your stats prove little without the players respective number of games and time forward or in forward half. Obviously Dusty and Caddy are spending time in the midfield, unlike George, so raw number of marks is not a true indication. The Daniels have both missed many games to injury; Moore has only played 2/3 so he's done OK etc. etc.
More detailed dissection tomorrow then but read my reply to MDJ also. Not saying he'll lose his spot but failing to convert could undo him.
How much can you see Georgie’s role changing Leysy if we land Lynch ?Leysy Days said:
I reckon George is a rare unit in that his elite in some areas and poor in others and I reckon that’s why he has big fans and big critics , very crucial to our style of footy at this point
The legend of Castagnaboult seems to be hitting new heights overnight, this is better than watching Seinfeld. So far we've had -
*will be a two times AA player
*Lynch will replace our forward pocket & George will stay at CHF
*Riewoldt will be playing on a flank (which rather impressively leaves George playing FF & CHF)
*Stephen Milne who has 574 goals to his name is no match for George due to his 0.8 contested marks per match
*George shanking kicks should be ignored because his pressure acts are so impressive
*Is a more potent forward target than Caddy despite averaging fewer goals, contested marks, kicks, handballs, clearances, tackles & metres gained.
Boyoboy Wowee! How the bejeesus are we going squeeze him into the cap?
*will be a two times AA player
*Lynch will replace our forward pocket & George will stay at CHF
*Riewoldt will be playing on a flank (which rather impressively leaves George playing FF & CHF)
*Stephen Milne who has 574 goals to his name is no match for George due to his 0.8 contested marks per match
*George shanking kicks should be ignored because his pressure acts are so impressive
*Is a more potent forward target than Caddy despite averaging fewer goals, contested marks, kicks, handballs, clearances, tackles & metres gained.
Boyoboy Wowee! How the bejeesus are we going squeeze him into the cap?
Would be if any of those were actually said Bully.
Don’t stoop to Leonies comprehension levels.
Don’t stoop to Leonies comprehension levels.
Leysy Days said:
So your virtual beer is off the table?
But don't make me dredge up anymore quotes, one only needs to read back half a dozen pages to get a sense of the tyre pumping. Think I've been entirely reasonable stating he needs to kick straight to maintain his spot, the last couple of weeks have been better but still room for improvement. And just on the topic of stats, you really ought to be using averages, season totals are grossly misleading.
leon said:
We have played Moore or Townsend for pretty much every game this year. Moore has played 6 and Towner 10, so this gives an indication of our structure. I actually think the reality is somewhere between what Leysy says and what Bullus says.
Jack is our FF
We don't play with a CHF, we play through Towner / Moore and Castagna who play that role, sometimes Caddy
We play 3 smalls which includes Castagna
Castagna is currently playing a hybrid role between small forward and CHF and if we get Lynch his role may change a little bit but probably not that much, more he continues to give us that extra marking target who will either mark it or bring it to ground. If he brings it to ground, he is very quick at getting back to his feet and continuing to impact the contest.
Make no mistake though, if we get Lynch he will only replace the Towner / Moore role. The 3 amigos will continue to play as small forwards. Higgins we have found is not a SF, Baker possibly the same, both mids in my eyes, so that leaves our smalls as George, Rioli, Butler and Stengle and for now Stengle has not shown enough at AFL level to replace the first 3.
Correct and well said Posh. On the money.
It was AA squad. Decent difference considering it is double the players. Leonitis must be catching BH.
Drinks defo on the table.
Fair question CC. It will change no doubt, he won't be required to do the dirty work flying as much, so expect his tackles and possessions to increase, marks maybe to drop.
bullus_hit said:
It was AA squad. Decent difference considering it is double the players. Leonitis must be catching BH.
Drinks defo on the table.
Mr Brightside said:
Fair question CC. It will change no doubt, he won't be required to do the dirty work flying as much, so expect his tackles and possessions to increase, marks maybe to drop.
Leysy Days said:
I’d expect with less flying and the predictability of the ball drop roving to Lynch/reiwoldt that his goal tally should increase dramatically. With 2 very good aerialists I think Stengle will come into the mix very quickly
George often marks the round the corner hack kick that goes 25m and doesn’t even reach Jack.
There is no reason he can’t continue to do so with another tall around.
People gotta stop tryin to pigeonhole the lad. He’s a freak. The platypus of the AFL.
There is no reason he can’t continue to do so with another tall around.
People gotta stop tryin to pigeonhole the lad. He’s a freak. The platypus of the AFL.
MD Jazz said:
I wrote this in response to the pro-crowd refusing to acknowledge his shortcomings. From Leysy claiming he's in the top 40 players in the league to others waxing lyrical about his contested marking & claims to being a CHF. A bit of perspective required here. The club chasing Tom Lynch indicates he's filling a void for the moment, if that move comes to fruition he'll need to work on certain areas of his game. The fact he kicked 7 straight behinds two weeks ago says he's the type who could cost us dearly during a finals campaign. It's pretty simple from where I stand, a small forward is paid to kick goals, Castagna no exception. The notion that he can coast along like Steven Morris isn't acceptable IMO, pressure acts are fine to an extent but not the be all, end all.
As for Leon, I reckon he's totally accurate with his comments here. Nothing controversial whatsoever & probably deserves a bit more credit than he's being given.
bullus_hit said:
All good, thought zips had taken over your account. Yeh, George has his shortcomings but he has unique traits (unlike Morris) that are almost accentuated by the modern game style.
His conversion is generally poor, but he is not far behind gray and Greene statistically. Big moments probably separate them but George is a pup with lots of scope for improvement.
