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[bullus_hit]

Lol. Bully I liked them both. When a player plays his first game has zero relationship with how fit he was.

At out pick, Stocker was gone, RCD was the pick. If we had of taken Stocker if he was available, I would have got that too. Had an outstanding back half of the TAC. Carlton weren't the only club that had him in top 10 rankings.

RCD has a higher ceiling but may take longer to reach it and that's fine too.

Unfortunately recruiting doesn't work that way, if you're SOS who do you take? Can't just sit on the fence & then hit me with LOL's every post, I seem to be the only one sticking my neck out these days (and copping the criticism that comes with those calls).

As for fitness, it plays a huge role, particularly when assessing VO2 max results, my contention is that SOS & Co. have made the wrong call & have greatly overestimated Stocker's ability (pick 6 truly worth the LOL's). Stocker was overlooked 18 times so I highly doubt many club's rated him an elite prospect. This year was in fact pretty easy in determining the top 10, almost universal with some debate as to where Caldwell & Jones fell, that was about the only area of contention.

 

[King Kong]

the said club director is flat out lying.

The recruiting team had RCD > Stocker

I understand we would have taken Stocker first also.

If you watch the footage of our team after Carlton jumped in a nabbed Stocker its pretty obvious. It was disappointment all around.

It doesn't mean much as plenty of times we've trumped other teams (Helbig, McBean are 2 I can think of) that would have been taken at the next pick that turned out to be ordinary.

 

[Dont Argue]

I understand we would have taken Stocker first also.

If you watch the footage of our team after Carlton jumped in a nabbed Stocker its pretty obvious. It was disappointment all around.

It doesn't mean much as plenty of times we've trumped other teams (Helbig, McBean are 2 I can think of) that would have been taken at the next pick that turned out to be ordinary.

I'm in the negative camp. Heard from a very reliable source that not only did they believe Stocker's 'running ability" ( not necessarily fitness levels) were well below par, they also commented that he did not interview well.
BTW I have a very close contact who sits on our board also. You'd be surprised how little they get involved in football department issues. The absolute fact is that they wouldn't automatically know anything about who we were going to draft and where, unless they specifically asked someone.

 

[Scoop]

Unfortunately recruiting doesn't work that way, if you're SOS who do you take? Can't just sit on the fence & then hit me with LOL's every post, I seem to be the only one sticking my neck out these days (and copping the criticism that comes with those calls).

As for fitness, it plays a huge role, particularly when assessing VO2 max results, my contention is that SOS & Co. have made the wrong call & have greatly overestimated Stocker's ability (pick 6 truly worth the LOL's). Stocker was overlooked 18 times so I highly doubt many club's rated him an elite prospect. This year was in fact pretty easy in determining the top 10, almost universal with some debate as to where Caldwell & Jones fell, that was about the only area of contention.

It does not matter if he was ranked at 6. They picked him at 19. I said at the time I was happy with RCD and would've taken him. My push for Stocker was on the assumption that RCD was well and truly gone by our pick. RCD ws infact the slider, Stocker went about where he should. Carlton paid extra to get the extra pick he went at was about right.

 

[tigerdave]

Sliders are good!

Higgins....

 

[bullus_hit]

It does not matter if he was ranked at 6. They picked him at 19. I said at the time I was happy with RCD and would've taken him. My push for Stocker was on the assumption that RCD was well and truly gone by our pick. RCD ws infact the slider, Stocker went about where he should. Carlton paid extra to get the extra pick he went at was about right.

That ranking has caused them to give up a potential top 3 pick next year so it most certainly counts, so much so that SOS might find himself joining the dole queue if this draft gets butchered.

 

[easy_tiger]

That ranking has caused them to give up a potential top 3 pick next year so it most certainly counts, so much so that SOS might find himself joining the dole queue if this draft gets butchered.

SOS's testicles are in a very public vice.

If stocker is a bust, we'll hear 'em pop

 

[Jonesracing82]

Have heard from a Blues mate that Stocker is well behind the eightball in terms of fitness, will be lucky to play in the first half of the year. This is already shaping up as a disaster for SOS.

I hope they sign SOS up for the next 737396936329643 yrs!

 

[Jonesracing82]

Maybe we have worked out where our leaks were and giving them false info to put out there??

Given we apparently didn't rate Stocker, Balmey & co. would have been wrapped about the media linking us with him.

 

[Jonesracing82]

I'm in the negative camp. Heard from a very reliable source that not only did they believe Stocker's 'running ability" ( not necessarily fitness levels) were well below par, they also commented that he did not interview well.
BTW I have a very close contact who sits on our board also. You'd be surprised how little they get involved in football department issues. The absolute fact is that they wouldn't automatically know anything about who we were going to draft and where, unless they specifically asked someone.

Personally don't mind that, the less that gets outside our Football Dept. the better IMO.

 

[easy_tiger]

Given we apparently didn't rate Stocker, Balmey & co. would have been wrapped about the media linking us with him.

Id say balmey and co would been very proactive in the media linking us to him.

It will be great to see Balmey whack a Carlton bloke whilst wearing a black and yellow tie.

BTW

I think we should call this kid RCD2

And then hope like hell we draft another hyphen called


Something like Chet Pomade-Orlandeo III

Who apparently grew 2 feet over summer

 

[taztiger4]

I understand we would have taken Stocker first also.

If you watch the footage of our team after Carlton jumped in a nabbed Stocker its pretty obvious. It was disappointment all around.

It doesn't mean much as plenty of times we've trumped other teams (Helbig, McBean are 2 I can think of) that would have been taken at the next pick that turned out to be ordinary.

LOL, so far wrong , i think the look was a WTF moment & relief they didnt take RCD

 

[bullus_hit]

That's not just a measure of fitness though.

Not at all, skills obviously critical, but my main point was the athletic ceilings of both players is now coming to the fore. Stocker had a significant head start due to the rev up from our guys & it would appear that gap has already been closed by RCD, in only 2 months (which is pretty remarkable if you ask me).

I'm in the negative camp. Heard from a very reliable source that not only did they believe Stocker's 'running ability" ( not necessarily fitness levels) were well below par, they also commented that he did not interview well.
BTW I have a very close contact who sits on our board also. You'd be surprised how little they get involved in football department issues. The absolute fact is that they wouldn't automatically know anything about who we were going to draft and where, unless they specifically asked someone.

I like the fact you have emphasised 'running ability' as opposed to fitness, this is the very thing that separates elite recruiters from pretenders. Attitude obviously counts for everything but if the tank doesn't exist no amount of training will get a player up to scratch. Not suggesting Stocker will be a dud but everything points to Carlton paying overs. Very glad our boys have learnt the art of due diligence.

 

[Scoop]

Not at all, skills obviously critical, but my main point was the athletic ceilings of both players is now coming to the fore. Stocker had a significant head start due to the rev up from our guys & it would appear that gap has already been closed by RCD, in only 2 months (which is pretty remarkable if you ask me).

The athletic ceiling of both players is not even close to coming to the fore after 8 -10 weeks in an AFL environment.

What gap was there to start? Who knew about the gap and how has it closed is something I’d like to learn more on.

 

[bullus_hit]

The athletic ceiling of both players is not even close to coming to the fore after 8 -10 weeks in an AFL environment.

What gap was there to start? Who knew about the gap and how has it closed is something I’d like to learn more on.

Stocker was told by our recruiters he wasn't working hard enough off the ball, to put it bluntly he was a perceived slacker, that wake-up call lead to plenty of extra running & he got his 2km down to around 6 minutes 30 secs. Collier-Dawkins tested at 7 minutes which is very poor but would now be close to Stocker's time based on his recent time trial. So with their endurance being equal at this stage in the game it's pretty hard to make a case for Stocker being the better prospect, the fact that RCD is more a middle distance runner just adds to the weight of evidence. Skill wise RCD nails Stocker to the cross, that's just my opinion of course but I'm reasonably confident that Richmond will come up trumps in this particular case.

 

[turk-d-tiger]

My understanding is prior to the draft Richmond were looking at Hill or O'Hallaran with our 1st selection and Stocker was not in contention with our 1st selection

With RCD sliding then it was a no brainer and you just take the best talent , Happened to be RCD was the exact player we would have been dreaming off but expected him to be gone by #15

Also was told that we really liked O'Hallaron as did GWS

 

[jb03]

We all want RCD to be a champ but it is pretty absurd to be writing Stocker off now.

 

[bullus_hit]

We all want RCD to be a champ but it is pretty absurd to be writing Stocker off now.

Don't think anyone is writing Stocker off but SOS trying to be clever & handing over next year's pick will hurt, just my opinion but I fail to see where the improvement will come from. The RCD vs Stocker decision is peripheral but will just add to the pressure, limited upside from all the evidence to date.

 

[Batchelor Party]

Skill wise RCD nails Stocker to the cross

RCD should be especially handy then if we happen to land the Good Friday game.

 

[Tigers of Old]

I have no idea how good Stocker will be & don't really care. Am confident in this kid being a ripper though.