They're not all that far off if they're not. Get them fit & they'll help massively.
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Taranto is a B&F winner in the year they made the GF. Has also finished in the top 4 or 5 in the last few years. Came 4th last year.
Hopper has come in the top 4 in their B&F from 2019 - 2021.
Lets not let the facts get in the way of a good storey.
Hawthorn had ZERO 1st rd picks between 2010-2014. In 2015 they had picks 19 and 22- 19 went on Burton who they then traded away, and Lovell who played 2 games for them. they had no 2nd rd pick in 2015. in 2016 their 1st pick was #74, in 2017 it was #45, in 2018 it was #52, before they finally had 1st & 2nd rd picks in 2019, but no 3rd rd.
The 2 strategies are not at all the same, if we are selling the farm, they sold the country.
Hugo is the 1 i reckon, young, good enough to be wanted, but not that good that we wont let him go, and not that good that he will cost much $$$wise.
Hawthorn ignored the draft for years and didn't have the nucleus of youth that we have on our books when they brought Wingard, Mitchell, O'Meara etc in.
You could also argue they overpaid for two of them (O'Meara/Wingard) and they were all the wrong types for various reasons - too outside (Wingard), injury prone (O'Meara) or slow (Mitchell).
To highlight how far apart draft/trade strategies were: If talking early picks and at a high level:
2011-13: First round picks all traded
2014: First pick 31. Traded first round pick (19) for Jonathan O'Rourke.
2015: Drafted Ryan Burton (19) and Lovell (22)
2016: First pick 74. Traded first round for Mitchell. Then out of everything (plus 2017 1st round) for O'Meara. Also took Vickery and Henderson as free agents.
2017: First pick at 45 following O'Meara trade previous year
2018: First pick 52 after trading 1st and 2nd round plus Ryan Burton for Chad Wingard
2019: Finally started going back to the draft.
We've kept every first round pick since Meatball (and had 5 inside 30 last year).
We've re-built the undercurrent of youth to now go shopping. Hawthorn hadn't.
Poor comparison. Apples and Oranges.
Francis Jackson built a premiership team with picks in the 6-30 range, he filled the spine with top 20 selections & added the finishing touches with some astute low end selections. This is clearly a drift away from the core building blocks that served the club so well. Call me a sceptic but I've seen this approach play out with mixed results.
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They got two second-round picks back in the deal. Picks 13, 15 and 20 (and 2021 4th-rounder - which GWS didn't end up using) for Cameron, GWS's 2021 2nd-rounder (pick 35) and Essendon's 2021 2nd-rounder (pick 32).
Basically picks 13, 15, 20 for Cameron, pick 32, pick 35.
Stop copying my posts! But good job expanding on what i said.
1 small point tho, we did trade out our 2020 pick, to bring in a 1st in 2021.
But your point remains, we have continued to draft, and draft generally well, and have a good spread of talent age wise across the list. The 1 gap we have is around the 25yo mark, which happens to be the age of the guys we are bringing in.
well this just turned for the worse...
I guess at least GWS can't threaten to match the contract offer like they could with Cameron which really meant cats had to hand over the 3 1sts. So hopefully this is just posturing as Hopper is not worth 2 firsts.
i reckon you are cherry picking a little there.
Key players in our premiership teams included Cotchin (#2), Martin (#3) Astbury (#35) Houli (PSD), Grimes (PSD) Prestia (Trade) Nank (Trade) Lynch (FA). At a quicklist I would say they have been 8 of our most important 12 in our 3 premierships so far. Probably alongside Vlastuin (#9) Jack (#13) Rance (#17) and ShEdwards (#26). Without checking I dont think many others, (except DRioli, Bolton Balta and BEllis) were picked between 6-30?
Agree - though the likes of Graham, Soldo and Broad will net 2nd to 3rd round value that we can use to upgrade back into the 1st round.
I can see interest in Ralphsmith from GWS also, particularly if they are planning to move Ash into the midfield.
I've said enough on Taranto, he's not worth pick 12 & 19 based on his work to date, his disposal concerns me, his contested game is only average, he doesn't have the scoreboard impact, he doesn't break lines and he's already had shoulder surgery.
Taranto Deal:
Pick 12, 19 & Ralphsmith for Taranto & 21
Hopper Deal
2023 1st, 21 & Soldo for Hopper and 2023 2nd Rounder
We keep pick 30 this year and have x2 2nd rounders next year. The GWS one should be early 20s again
Looks like a win/win for both parties. We'll then need to scrounge a back-up ruck on the cheap from one of the State leagues
Leaves GWS with 4 picks inside 25 (after Ashcroft bid and Nth compo pick/s) this year and x2 1sts next year
Pick 12, 19 & Ralphsmith for Taranto & 21
Hopper Deal
2023 1st, 21 & Soldo for Hopper and 2023 2nd Rounder
We keep pick 30 this year and have x2 2nd rounders next year. The GWS one should be early 20s again
Looks like a win/win for both parties. We'll then need to scrounge a back-up ruck on the cheap from one of the State leagues
Leaves GWS with 4 picks inside 25 (after Ashcroft bid and Nth compo pick/s) this year and x2 1sts next year
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Doubt GWS will be able to take 2 salaries back in.
If it's players out more likely to have a 3rd party take them on ILO.
If it's players out more likely to have a 3rd party take them on ILO.
Soldo and Ralphsmith are probably on $200-$250k each. A new draftee is going to cost them $100k f they don't take those players. Hence the difference is bugger all in the end
100%. Top 5 b&f finish in a stacked midfield is up there with the elite in the comp. They’ve had down years for different reasons but their best footy is ahead of them given their age profile
Yep. Depends on how bad their TPP is but you don’t let both of these two go unless it’s stuffed. They clearly thought they’d have won a flag by now
Not cherry picking at all, picks in the 6-30 range are critical, that's 6 A graders -3 key position prospects, a goal kicking AA player & a classy rebounder.
