Water threads [Merged]

[Rosy]

Re: The great water cover up.

They also intend taking water from North of the mountains to Melbourne.

Rosy should be impressed with that one!!!

BTW, how's the rain today Rosy?

I don't know all the details yet but I'm not impressed in the least with the idea of water being taken from Eildon Weir to top up Melbourne's dwindling supplies. The govt should have dealt with it long term yonks ago rather than going for any quick fixes. It would be great to see full irrigation rights restored, and those who rely on water in the weir for their livlihood in many other ways have a change of fortune without seeing the water drained away.

No rain here today Phantom. We had good rain a few weeks ago but not a drop since.

 

[Michael]

Re: The great water cover up.

On Desalination

When they take the salt out of the water, what do they do with it?

After the desalination, do they end up with a dry salt or some sort of sew water concentrate?

Excuse the ignorance

You get a brine solution, which is pumped out into the sea. This is an issue, because it needs to go in an area where it can be safely diluted, and this is why Port Phillip and Westernport were rules out. Apparently the proposed location has access to open sea.

Thanks T74
Yep kinda dumb? How the hell do you dilute a salt concentrate? Add water?

 

[Tiger74]

Re: The great water cover up.

Thanks T74
Yep kinda dumb? How the hell do you dilute a salt concentrate? Add water?

It just gets added to the open ocean, and the currents and so forth mix it up. This is why location is important. If its in an area where the waters are too shallow or the currents inappropriate, the salt will not disipate properly and cause massive enviro issues for the fishies and the sea plants.

 

[ssstone]

Re: The great water cover up.

Thanks T74
Yep kinda dumb? How the hell do you dilute a salt concentrate? Add water?

It just gets added to the open ocean, and the currents and so forth mix it up. This is why location is important. If its in an area where the waters are too shallow or the currents inappropriate, the salt will not disipate properly and cause massive enviro issues for the fishies and the sea plants.

so we are to get a plant that uses "GLOBAL WARMING" coal driven power that "COULD" instead of damming the mitchell? and our water bills are set to double as well? and lets pinch more water out of eildon .this goverments inability to make hard decisions is outstanding.

 

[Tiger74]

Re: The great water cover up.

so we are to get a plant that uses "GLOBAL WARMING" coal driven power that "COULD" instead of damming the mitchell? and our water bills are set to double as well? and lets pinch more water out of eildon .this goverments inability to make hard decisions is outstanding.

1) we have a long term water issue, and expensive solutions are needed unless you want Logan's Run style of life in Melbourne

2) we are not "pinching water out of eildon". they are spending billions on irrigation improvements, and of the 450bl to be saved, only 75bl of the saving will going to melbourne, the rests stays for agri use and environmental flows

 

[ssstone]

Re: The great water cover up.

whats logans run ???

 

[Tiger74]

Re: The great water cover up.

great 70's sci-fi movie

once you hit a certain age you get knocked off to maintain population control

 

[Dyer'ere]

Re: The great water cover up.

of the 450bl to be saved, only 75bl of the saving will going to melbourne,

I guess my first question would be, why does Melbourne need more water? So we can rinse our driveways? Flush our toilets with water that imbeciles buy in bottles?

For the life of me, I cannot see why tanks are not compulsory. I got no time for any of these politicians. History will not be kind.

 

[elliot]

Re: The great water cover up.

I wonder why the plan to use water form blue rock didnt go ahead..
Seemed like the most efficient solution to me...

 

[Tiger74]

Re: The great water cover up.

My understanding was the following failed:

1) pipe recycled water to powerplants from carrum, and pipe fresh water from Latrobe to Melbourne
Very expensive, and there are concerns about using recycled water in power plants (I dont understand it myself, but apparently it is not as effectient as clean water). Ultimately Thwaites liked it, but Brumby won on the day. this was especially as this option was hated in the Latrobe Valley (why are we giving our drinking water to Melbourne?) and was politically tough as well to get up in an election year.

Personally I liked this plan, and am disappointed it didnt get up.

2) store storm water at dwight falls on the Yarra
understand this was killed early. The variable falls of stormwater, the cost of cleaning it (i.e. pollutants, garbage, natural debris, faeces, etc), the cost of collecting around Melbourne, and finally the cost of pumping it made it too difficult and far too expensive.

 

[elliot]

Re: The great water cover up.

thanks for that..
I can't understand the opposition given that we would be taking water that was used for the power stations and not drinking water(i stand to be corrected on this)
Gotta love politics NOT

 

[Tiger74]

Re: The great water cover up.

agreed. but we are having the same in Eildon now, with people talking about the N/S pipeline emptying the Eildon which will not happen (the water for Melbourne only comes when the water savings start to be generated).

I hate politics effecting long term planning, and I especially hate election years.

 

[ssstone]

Re: The great water cover up.

of the 450bl to be saved, only 75bl of the saving will going to melbourne,

I guess my first question would be, why does Melbourne need more water? So we can rinse our driveways? Flush our toilets with water that imbeciles buy in bottles?

For the life of me, I cannot see why tanks are not compulsory. I got no time for any of these politicians. History will not be kind.

couldnt agree more dyer.went to look at a job the other day and the fella whose building the house has already installed 3 of the biggest tanks ive ever seen and put in a dam below them to catch the run off when the tanks are full.guess what 15 days later the tanks are chockas and the dams half full.can you imagine what the roofs alone in the mc mansion belt that is pakenham would catch in one storm ?? the mind boggles that we flush this into stormwater drains :

 

[Jools]

Re: The great water cover up.

Today would be the first time for quite a while that the dams had an increase in water. It is the first time storages have risen by more than 1600 million litres in one day since December 2005. Please may it continue.

 

[pahoffm]

Re: Weekly water update

SMALL BOOST FOR WATER STORAGES
21 June 2007
http://www.melbournewater.com.au/content/water/weekly_water_update/weekly_water_update.asp?bhcp=1

Good rainfall and low water consumption have resulted in Melbourne’s water storages recording a slight rise overnight of 0.1% - the first time storages have risen by more than 1600 million litres in one day since December 2005.

Storages are now 28.5% full today, after falling to 28.4% during the week. At the same time last year, storages were 48.3 % (857,144 million litres) full.

Rainfall of between 29mm and 91mm was recorded across the four major catchments this week, with Thomson Reservoir receiving three times its long-term average. All other reservoirs received below average rainfall.

Average daily water consumption through the week was around 931 million litres per day, more than 140 million litres less than the five-year winter average.

Stage 3a water restrictions are now in place. Further details are available by visiting the Our Water Our Future website ourwater.vic.gov.au or by contacting the government water retailers.

 

[Tiger74]

Re: Weekly water update

I was wrapped when I read this, we are finally getting run-off

 

[Disco08]

Re: Weekly water update

I know this has nothing to do with you guys in Victoria, but I just got back from taking my dog for a swim in the Shoalhaven river which is in SE NSW. I've been going there regularly for 2 or 3 years and it's usually got only a dribble of water in it, not generally enough for my dog to be able to actually swim except for one little spot. Well today it was absolutely roaring. The banks have risen maybe 20 or 25 metres and the tree I usually sit under to read is now under about 1.5 metres of water.

It's been extremely dry here the last few years so I hope our good fortune is a good sign for Victorians too.

 

[Panthera tigris FC]

Re: Weekly water update

I know this has nothing to do with you guys in Victoria, but I just got back from taking my dog for a swim in the Shoalhaven river which is in SE NSW. I've been going there regularly for 2 or 3 years and it's usually got only a dribble of water in it, not generally enough for my dog to be able to actually swim except for one little spot. Well today it was absolutely roaring. The banks have risen maybe 20 or 25 metres and the tree I usually sit under to read is now under about 1.5 metres of water.

It's been extremely dry here the last few years so I hope our good fortune is a good sign for Victorians too.

That is good news Disco.

The La Nina certainly is a hottie ;D . Much nicer than that El Nino.

Now if we do actually get a few years of decent rain, let us never forget the climate patterns of the continent we live on.

Water tanks and water conservation efforts should be used in perpetuity in this country.

 

[mb64]

Re: Weekly water update

With all the rain we have been getting the reservoirs must be full.

 

[Panthera tigris FC]

Re: Weekly water update

With all the rain we have been getting the reservoirs must be full.

:hihi