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Re: The great water cover up.
Action seems to be happening now, but it will take time just because of the dollars and investment needed.
1) N/S Pipeline
Stupid idea that takes water away from irrigators. I know we think Melbourne rules the world, but farmers and rural centres are suffering badly, and need every drop they can get. Bendigo is nearly stuffed for instance, so this is not just Upper Bumfluff with a population of 20 that is effected.
2) Desalination
Concerns over how to get ride of brine. Makes non-Metro sites preferred, but this then has a cost for pumping. Expensive but inevitable I think as a buffer-builder.
3) Recycled to Latrobe Valley
Expensive but best bet and I'm glad the Govt appears to be ready to move on this. Only issue is the content of reclaimed water and issues with use in powerplants (its not ideal, hence the final review underway).
4) Damming Stormwater
Great concept, but not sure if viable
5) New Dam
Politically death, but this aside, its once again taking water from existing users (farmers), as most rivers are being utilized to some degree.
Action seems to be happening now, but it will take time just because of the dollars and investment needed.
1) N/S Pipeline
Stupid idea that takes water away from irrigators. I know we think Melbourne rules the world, but farmers and rural centres are suffering badly, and need every drop they can get. Bendigo is nearly stuffed for instance, so this is not just Upper Bumfluff with a population of 20 that is effected.
2) Desalination
Concerns over how to get ride of brine. Makes non-Metro sites preferred, but this then has a cost for pumping. Expensive but inevitable I think as a buffer-builder.
3) Recycled to Latrobe Valley
Expensive but best bet and I'm glad the Govt appears to be ready to move on this. Only issue is the content of reclaimed water and issues with use in powerplants (its not ideal, hence the final review underway).
4) Damming Stormwater
Great concept, but not sure if viable
5) New Dam
Politically death, but this aside, its once again taking water from existing users (farmers), as most rivers are being utilized to some degree.
Re: The great water cover up.
Got mine today, $15.31.. Oh wait, that's just the usage charges. Then there's $50.10 Total Services Charges? (What the hell is that? ). Oh, and forgot, $13.59 Total Other Authorities charges. Total $79.00
This is my first bill that I could compare to last years, as I've just been in my new place just over 12 months. My average daily use is 109 lt per day (don't know how, have 3 minute shower, water redusing shower head, no garden to water, no dishwasher, small washing machine), compared to last year of 187 ave lt per day. Total cost saving for the 2 bills, I'm $2.75 better off this time, woo hoo. What a scam
Tiger Attack said:
Got mine today, $15.31.. Oh wait, that's just the usage charges. Then there's $50.10 Total Services Charges? (What the hell is that? ). Oh, and forgot, $13.59 Total Other Authorities charges. Total $79.00
This is my first bill that I could compare to last years, as I've just been in my new place just over 12 months. My average daily use is 109 lt per day (don't know how, have 3 minute shower, water redusing shower head, no garden to water, no dishwasher, small washing machine), compared to last year of 187 ave lt per day. Total cost saving for the 2 bills, I'm $2.75 better off this time, woo hoo. What a scam
Re: The great water cover up.
Water bills are tiers, so the more you use the more you pay. You are at the low end of the scale.
Most of your water usage would be your shower, most are 10-15 litres per minute.
Legends of 1980 said:Got mine today, $15.31.. Oh wait, that's just the usage charges. Then there's $50.10 Total Services Charges? (What the hell is that? ). Oh, and forgot, $13.59 Total Other Authorities charges. Total $79.00
This is my first bill that I could compare to last years, as I've just been in my new place just over 12 months. My average daily use is 109 lt per day (don't know how, have 3 minute shower, water redusing shower head, no garden to water, no dishwasher, small washing machine), compared to last year of 187 ave lt per day. Total cost saving for the 2 bills, I'm $2.75 better off this time, woo hoo. What a scam
Water bills are tiers, so the more you use the more you pay. You are at the low end of the scale.
Most of your water usage would be your shower, most are 10-15 litres per minute.
Re: The great water cover up.
Thanks Tiger. I'm not unhappy with the water usage part of it, probably my washing machine takes up a fair bit of the amount. My gripe is with the bulk of the bill being the Total Services Charges. Does that go up if I use more water?
The other gripe I have is the fact that my house has all internal pipes, so if I want to connect up diverter hoses, I need to call a plumber, which I can't afford. Would love to try more savings, but sometimes it isn't possible or costs a lot.
Tiger74 said:Legends of 1980 said:Got mine today, $15.31.. Oh wait, that's just the usage charges. Then there's $50.10 Total Services Charges? (What the hell is that? ). Oh, and forgot, $13.59 Total Other Authorities charges. Total $79.00
This is my first bill that I could compare to last years, as I've just been in my new place just over 12 months. My average daily use is 109 lt per day (don't know how, have 3 minute shower, water redusing shower head, no garden to water, no dishwasher, small washing machine), compared to last year of 187 ave lt per day. Total cost saving for the 2 bills, I'm $2.75 better off this time, woo hoo. What a scam
Water bills are tiers, so the more you use the more you pay. You are at the low end of the scale.
Most of your water usage would be your shower, most are 10-15 litres per minute.
Thanks Tiger. I'm not unhappy with the water usage part of it, probably my washing machine takes up a fair bit of the amount. My gripe is with the bulk of the bill being the Total Services Charges. Does that go up if I use more water?
The other gripe I have is the fact that my house has all internal pipes, so if I want to connect up diverter hoses, I need to call a plumber, which I can't afford. Would love to try more savings, but sometimes it isn't possible or costs a lot.
Re: The great water cover up.
I think the service charges are fixed, but I wouldnt quote me on it.
Having lived in apartments up till now I know what you are going though Personally I think all new houses should be made to have a tank, and all residential buildings the divertion arrangements, but you know that aint going to happen any time soon
Legends of 1980 said:
I think the service charges are fixed, but I wouldnt quote me on it.
Having lived in apartments up till now I know what you are going though
Personally I think all new houses should be made to have a tank, and all residential buildings the divertion arrangements, but you know that aint going to happen any time soon
Re: The great water cover up.
tiger 74 is on the money.every house should have water tank that only fills up from mains in the case of serious drought.i,ve been preaching this for years.i also have a theory that 200 years ago australia had no roads/gutters or roofs to catch the rain hence it hit the ground ,evaporated ,became a creek.nowdays we catch it on roofs,roads and funnel it out to sea.can you imangine what the roofs and roads of melbourne alone would catch in just one storm ? and instead of directing this resource to holding dams to service the needs of industry we *smile* it off to sea.what a waste.and this seems to be the way most cities in the world also do it. so in doing this i am of the opinion that we are directly responsable for rising sea levels.far out i know but i do believe in it
tiger 74 is on the money.every house should have water tank that only fills up from mains in the case of serious drought.i,ve been preaching this for years.i also have a theory that 200 years ago australia had no roads/gutters or roofs to catch the rain hence it hit the ground ,evaporated ,became a creek.nowdays we catch it on roofs,roads and funnel it out to sea.can you imangine what the roofs and roads of melbourne alone would catch in just one storm ? and instead of directing this resource to holding dams to service the needs of industry we *smile* it off to sea.what a waste.and this seems to be the way most cities in the world also do it. so in doing this i am of the opinion that we are directly responsable for rising sea levels.far out i know but i do believe in it
Re: The great water cover up.
RAIN HELPS SLOW DECLINE BUT CATCHMENTS DOWN AGAIN
7 June 2007
http://www.melbournewater.com.au/content/water/weekly_water_update/weekly_water_update.asp
Melbourne’s water storages have dropped around 0.2% (2,212 million litres) this week to 28.6% (507,709 million litres) full today. At the same time last year, storages were 48.9% (867,568 million litres) full.
Near average rainfall totals for the week, and continued good water conservation have meant this weeks drop in storage levels was the smallest since September 2006. The rain has also helped to further wet down the water supply catchments ahead of winter and spring when we expect to receive most of our rainfall and a turn around in storage levels.
Rainfall of between 7.6mm and 20.6mm was recorded across Melbourne’s four major catchments while consumption was again well below the average with Melburnians using about 932 million litres per day throughout the last week.
Stage 3a water restrictions are now in place. Further details are available by visiting the Our Water Our Future website ourwater.vic.gov.au or by contacting the government water retailers.
And that's the good news ...
RAIN HELPS SLOW DECLINE BUT CATCHMENTS DOWN AGAIN
7 June 2007
http://www.melbournewater.com.au/content/water/weekly_water_update/weekly_water_update.asp
Melbourne’s water storages have dropped around 0.2% (2,212 million litres) this week to 28.6% (507,709 million litres) full today. At the same time last year, storages were 48.9% (867,568 million litres) full.
Near average rainfall totals for the week, and continued good water conservation have meant this weeks drop in storage levels was the smallest since September 2006. The rain has also helped to further wet down the water supply catchments ahead of winter and spring when we expect to receive most of our rainfall and a turn around in storage levels.
Rainfall of between 7.6mm and 20.6mm was recorded across Melbourne’s four major catchments while consumption was again well below the average with Melburnians using about 932 million litres per day throughout the last week.
Stage 3a water restrictions are now in place. Further details are available by visiting the Our Water Our Future website ourwater.vic.gov.au or by contacting the government water retailers.
And that's the good news ...
Re: The great water cover up.
Agree with you Stoney.
Also, its farcical that there are places contemplating or using recycled/treated water to drink, yet we use fresh A-grade drinking water to flush our dunnies in the first place!
Nah, the good news is that it snowed again, and have had 4cm in the last 24-hours.
Snow = water 8)
ssstone said:
Agree with you Stoney.
Also, its farcical that there are places contemplating or using recycled/treated water to drink, yet we use fresh A-grade drinking water to flush our dunnies in the first place!
Phantom said:
Nah, the good news is that it snowed again, and have had 4cm in the last 24-hours.
Snow = water 8)
Re: The great water cover up.
How is that good news. We have a home game against the demons coming up.
Snow=melbourne members=less crowd=less money for Richmond ;D
Liverpool said:
How is that good news. We have a home game against the demons coming up.
Snow=melbourne members=less crowd=less money for Richmond ;D
Re: The great water cover up.
Yep. They've anounced a desalination plant for Gippsland.
They also intend taking water from North of the mountains to Melbourne.
Rosy should be impressed with that one!!!
BTW, how's the rain today Rosy?
STORAGES DOWN 0.1%
14 June 2007
http://www.melbournewater.com.au/content/water/weekly_water_update/weekly_water_update.asp
Melbourne's water storages have dropped around 0.1% (2,917 million litres) this week to 28.5% (504,792 million litres) full today. At the same time last year, storages were 48.6% (862,401 million litres) full.
Rainfall of between 23mm and 31mm was recorded across the four major catchments this week providing some welcome runoff into our reservoirs. Inflows into the catchments were still only about half of the 30 year average however.
Average daily water consumption through the week was around 916 million litres per day, more than 150 million litres less than the winter five-year average.
Stage 3a water restrictions are now in place. Further details are available by visiting the Our Water Our Future website ourwater.vic.gov.au or by contacting the government water retailers.
Yep.
So even when it's raining, the reserves are still falling.
Yep. They've anounced a desalination plant for Gippsland.
They also intend taking water from North of the mountains to Melbourne.
Rosy should be impressed with that one!!!
BTW, how's the rain today Rosy?
STORAGES DOWN 0.1%
14 June 2007
http://www.melbournewater.com.au/content/water/weekly_water_update/weekly_water_update.asp
Melbourne's water storages have dropped around 0.1% (2,917 million litres) this week to 28.5% (504,792 million litres) full today. At the same time last year, storages were 48.6% (862,401 million litres) full.
Rainfall of between 23mm and 31mm was recorded across the four major catchments this week providing some welcome runoff into our reservoirs. Inflows into the catchments were still only about half of the 30 year average however.
Average daily water consumption through the week was around 916 million litres per day, more than 150 million litres less than the winter five-year average.
Stage 3a water restrictions are now in place. Further details are available by visiting the Our Water Our Future website ourwater.vic.gov.au or by contacting the government water retailers.
Yep.
So even when it's raining, the reserves are still falling.
Re: The great water cover up.
On the N/S pipeline, its only water savings coming south, and a proportion of that (75 of 450).
This is therefore based on future savings once irrigation channels are improved, so the Nats can calm down as no-one is planning to drain the mudhole out at Eildon (it actually is one now sadly).
Desalination is a good now, and moves Melbourne to a more secure water source regardless of enviromental falls.
On the issue of falling dam levels, this will continue to happen until ground water levels are normal again so run-off can occur. Good news is NSW is having heavy rains and this is already happening, hopefully VIC and SA are not far behind. I have been in Agri industries since 1996, and this bloody drought has been around for nearly my whole working life, so I am wrapped we may (may may may) be finally seeing a turn around.
Stuff that annoying boy El Nino, and lets bring on his much hotter sister La Nina
Phantom said:
On the N/S pipeline, its only water savings coming south, and a proportion of that (75 of 450).
This is therefore based on future savings once irrigation channels are improved, so the Nats can calm down as no-one is planning to drain the mudhole out at Eildon (it actually is one now sadly).
Desalination is a good now, and moves Melbourne to a more secure water source regardless of enviromental falls.
On the issue of falling dam levels, this will continue to happen until ground water levels are normal again so run-off can occur. Good news is NSW is having heavy rains and this is already happening, hopefully VIC and SA are not far behind. I have been in Agri industries since 1996, and this bloody drought has been around for nearly my whole working life, so I am wrapped we may (may may may) be finally seeing a turn around.
Stuff that annoying boy El Nino, and lets bring on his much hotter sister La Nina
Re: The great water cover up.
You're not wrong about the rainfall is NSW '74. I live in Bradiwood (not far from Goulburn) which has been a very dry area over the last few years. In the last 2 weeks, including today, my dam which is a pretty decent size has gone from 1/4 full if we were lucky to overflowing. This has happened to many places in the state from what I hear.
You're not wrong about the rainfall is NSW '74. I live in Bradiwood (not far from Goulburn) which has been a very dry area over the last few years. In the last 2 weeks, including today, my dam which is a pretty decent size has gone from 1/4 full if we were lucky to overflowing. This has happened to many places in the state from what I hear.
Re: The great water cover up.
Sorry to be wrong mate. Maybe more about Sydney, as Im just going off a media report today which is saying happy days are here again in NSW.
I know we in Vic are used to being ignored because the Sydney centric media ignores us, but I thought you guys would get a little attention at least
Disco08 said:
Sorry to be wrong mate. Maybe more about Sydney, as Im just going off a media report today which is saying happy days are here again in NSW.
I know we in Vic are used to being ignored because the Sydney centric media ignores us, but I thought you guys would get a little attention at least
Re: The great water cover up.
You get a brine solution, which is pumped out into the sea. This is an issue, because it needs to go in an area where it can be safely diluted, and this is why Port Phillip and Westernport were rules out. Apparently the proposed location has access to open sea.
Michael said:
You get a brine solution, which is pumped out into the sea. This is an issue, because it needs to go in an area where it can be safely diluted, and this is why Port Phillip and Westernport were rules out. Apparently the proposed location has access to open sea.
