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Re: The great water cover up.
Phanto must get orgasmic every time he finds a new set of stats! :rofl
Phanto must get orgasmic every time he finds a new set of stats! :rofl
Re: The great water cover up.
Hey Phanto, remember those 100 signatures a few years back to kick a few backsides in our club?
Well is there any chance we should start a lobby group to kick out this half-wit dill from our state?
We are going to live in the Sahara desert by mid-2008.
Phantom said:
Hey Phanto, remember those 100 signatures a few years back to kick a few backsides in our club?
Well is there any chance we should start a lobby group to kick out this half-wit dill from our state?
We are going to live in the Sahara desert by mid-2008.
Re: The great water cover up.
It's been raining all of the last month. Fairly heavily too.
You may have noticed that our reserves have still dropped marginally in that time.
Water reserves won't rise until the August/September thaw. If if snows heavily, we may see reserves rise optimistically back up to 45-50%, but then we have to go another 10 months after that of falling levels again.
jb03 said:
It's been raining all of the last month. Fairly heavily too.
You may have noticed that our reserves have still dropped marginally in that time.
Water reserves won't rise until the August/September thaw. If if snows heavily, we may see reserves rise optimistically back up to 45-50%, but then we have to go another 10 months after that of falling levels again.
Re: The great water cover up.
We are actually doing half okay.
In NSW they sold to their farmers over allocations based upon water in the dams PLUS water they expected to get from rain if the drought broke. Vic at least only banked on the water in the dams.
In QLD they went on restrictions after us, and have even worse shortages than we do.
On the issue of your stats, this is actually common knowledge, and has been discussed openly for several months. Water in the THompson was actually released to one of the lower dams in the summer (forget which one) to support the firefighting in the Alpine area. This exaggerated the gap, but not disputing the situation is far from good.
IMO both sides of politics have dropped the ball on this one, because until this past summer water was not a sexy issue. Its solutions cost billions, and voters don't want to know about public debt at the moment. It is only now the electorate is willing to consider desalination and recycled water....
Even now, people still ring up Neil Mitchell and b!tch about the fact that they cannot water their lawn, when in some towns in central Vic they struggle to shower. This is one of the worst droughts in our countries history, and unfortunately many of the idiots out there cannot see past their back yard.
One thing we have to get into our heads is WE CANNOT DROUGHT PROOF AUSTRALIA. This urban myth is a shocker, especially for a country which is less than one third arid land. We can do drought minimization, but for monster 10 year droughts like the one we are in, drought proofing is a nonsense.
As for the rains not stopping the fall in dam levels, muchof the falls are replenishing lost ground water. Once this is done, run-off into the dams (assuming rains in catchments of course) will help reverse the trend.
For what is it worth it APPEARS the drought is over. The SOI indicates we are past our most recent El Nino, and are heading into a new La Nina period. Reason I say "appears" though is we have had very small La Nina's in the past decade with large El Nino's, so we actually need a decent La Nina to deliver the conditions that provide decent rains. The fact we are getting snow in the ski fields already though is a decent sign.
On a side issue, wait till the fruit and veg prices keep rising. I am in the food business, and unless something incredible happens, we will remember the whole banana thing as a nice memory. Stone fruits, greens, and fruits are all under pressure due to poor crops, farmers refusing to plant until after the drought, and the higher cost of growing.
We are actually doing half okay.
In NSW they sold to their farmers over allocations based upon water in the dams PLUS water they expected to get from rain if the drought broke. Vic at least only banked on the water in the dams.
In QLD they went on restrictions after us, and have even worse shortages than we do.
On the issue of your stats, this is actually common knowledge, and has been discussed openly for several months. Water in the THompson was actually released to one of the lower dams in the summer (forget which one) to support the firefighting in the Alpine area. This exaggerated the gap, but not disputing the situation is far from good.
IMO both sides of politics have dropped the ball on this one, because until this past summer water was not a sexy issue. Its solutions cost billions, and voters don't want to know about public debt at the moment. It is only now the electorate is willing to consider desalination and recycled water....
Even now, people still ring up Neil Mitchell and b!tch about the fact that they cannot water their lawn, when in some towns in central Vic they struggle to shower. This is one of the worst droughts in our countries history, and unfortunately many of the idiots out there cannot see past their back yard.
One thing we have to get into our heads is WE CANNOT DROUGHT PROOF AUSTRALIA. This urban myth is a shocker, especially for a country which is less than one third arid land. We can do drought minimization, but for monster 10 year droughts like the one we are in, drought proofing is a nonsense.
As for the rains not stopping the fall in dam levels, muchof the falls are replenishing lost ground water. Once this is done, run-off into the dams (assuming rains in catchments of course) will help reverse the trend.
For what is it worth it APPEARS the drought is over. The SOI indicates we are past our most recent El Nino, and are heading into a new La Nina period. Reason I say "appears" though is we have had very small La Nina's in the past decade with large El Nino's, so we actually need a decent La Nina to deliver the conditions that provide decent rains. The fact we are getting snow in the ski fields already though is a decent sign.
On a side issue, wait till the fruit and veg prices keep rising. I am in the food business, and unless something incredible happens, we will remember the whole banana thing as a nice memory. Stone fruits, greens, and fruits are all under pressure due to poor crops, farmers refusing to plant until after the drought, and the higher cost of growing.
Re: The great water cover up.
Rain has completely gone and there's no chance dams will go up to stable levels again.
Can anyone give information about the 'massive 1967 drought' I read in a newspaper recently ?
How low were the dams back then ?
Rain has completely gone and there's no chance dams will go up to stable levels again.
Can anyone give information about the 'massive 1967 drought' I read in a newspaper recently ?
How low were the dams back then ?
Re: The great water cover up.
No info TF, but the Thompson was not built back then. Also urban water usage as a percentage of state consumption would have been much less I assume (just because of population growth, industry, and things like dishwashers becoming common place). This is just my assumption, no facts to support.
No info TF, but the Thompson was not built back then. Also urban water usage as a percentage of state consumption would have been much less I assume (just because of population growth, industry, and things like dishwashers becoming common place). This is just my assumption, no facts to support.
Re: The great water cover up.
since my dad arrived in australia in 1963 he reckons that the population has roughly tripled. he also remembers that only one dam has been built to service melbourne in that same time. he remembers as he sprayed the bitumen on its surrounding roads. he also reckons its pretty bad planning that the population has tripled but not enough dams have been built to accomodate all the new people
pretty smart my dad
since my dad arrived in australia in 1963 he reckons that the population has roughly tripled. he also remembers that only one dam has been built to service melbourne in that same time. he remembers as he sprayed the bitumen on its surrounding roads. he also reckons its pretty bad planning that the population has tripled but not enough dams have been built to accomodate all the new people
pretty smart my dad
Re: The great water cover up.
I'm with your Dad on this one, LidsBling. 8)
Also, the whole climate change scenario.......we have records going back...what....200 years or so?
Maybe not even that?
And how old is Australia....billions of years old.
For all we know, the last 400 years might have been a 'wet' time, and what we are experiencing now, with Australia (and the word, for that matter) heating up, is more in line with normality?
There has been ice-ages in the past, we've been connected to South America and New Zealand, so over the course of millions of years, the climate can change dramatically, and maybe what we are experiencing is "normal" and not man-made pollution causing it?
LidsandBling said:
I'm with your Dad on this one, LidsBling. 8)
Also, the whole climate change scenario.......we have records going back...what....200 years or so?
Maybe not even that?
And how old is Australia....billions of years old.
For all we know, the last 400 years might have been a 'wet' time, and what we are experiencing now, with Australia (and the word, for that matter) heating up, is more in line with normality?
There has been ice-ages in the past, we've been connected to South America and New Zealand, so over the course of millions of years, the climate can change dramatically, and maybe what we are experiencing is "normal" and not man-made pollution causing it?
Re: The great water cover up.
Call me ignorant but didn't the steam and carbon fumes of the industrial age in the late 19th/early 20th century affect most of the cities in the UK where it continually rains nearly every day?
Liverpool said:
Call me ignorant but didn't the steam and carbon fumes of the industrial age in the late 19th/early 20th century affect most of the cities in the UK where it continually rains nearly every day?
Re: The great water cover up.
This isn't a climate change issue, this is a water management issue for a country that has traditionally been wasteful of the resource, is a desert country, and is running out of viable rivers to dam (not for enviro issues, but taking water from existing rural applications).
This isn't a climate change issue, this is a water management issue for a country that has traditionally been wasteful of the resource, is a desert country, and is running out of viable rivers to dam (not for enviro issues, but taking water from existing rural applications).
Re: The great water cover up.
Whether this phenomenon is man-made, or not, the fact is that the water reserves around Australia are in a desperate plight and the solution needs to be man-made.
I believe the solution involves quite a wide range of alternatives.
But the key is ACTION by all parties.
Liverpool said:
Whether this phenomenon is man-made, or not, the fact is that the water reserves around Australia are in a desperate plight and the solution needs to be man-made.
I believe the solution involves quite a wide range of alternatives.
But the key is ACTION by all parties.
