Umpires

[tommystigers]

I agree with spook

Without any context, Ezy, this declaration of allegiance to spooks posting may come back to bite you.

Regarding the umpires it is the inconsistency that kills. There is no rhyme or reason to the holding the ball decisions that they spew out. The throwing is rampant and the excuse that they are unsighted doesn’t wash. If a muppet 40 plus metres away can see a slight jumper tug why can’t they see a fist not hitting the ball? Might as well get Plucka Duck on the field umpiring.

 

[eZyT]

Ive got no dramas with the new holding the ball interp. players only need play the rapid fire futile hand passing pantomime and they won't get pinged.

but the throwing is out of control.

but begs the question, why don't we just start throwing it?

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Ive got no dramas with the new holding the ball interp. players only need play the rapid fire futile hand passing pantomime and they won't get pinged.

but the throwing is out of control.

but begs the question, why don't we just start throwing it?

Because if we do, you can get we’ll get pinged for it, whereas the other team will be allowed to throw it with impunity.

 

[tigersnake]

I'm still yet to see a rational explanation for where the line is drawn between 'spilled out in the tackle' and incorrect disposal/ dropping the ball. Just seems like Mabo the constitution and the vibe to me. But what do I know.

 

[Mycotchinrules]

I'm still yet to see a rational explanation for where the line is drawn between 'spilled out in the tackle' and incorrect disposal/ dropping the ball. Just seems like Mabo the constitution and the vibe to me. But what do I know.

Add that one to deliberate, rushed behind, play on after a mark, counting down for a shot at goal.... It's all INTERPRETATION!

Dont get me wrong, I still advocate the Spook drowning theory, but this game is almost impossible to officiate.
And there seems to be a rule of the week focus which adds more complexity.
And we are seeing the results in so many games affected by poor umpiring.

 

[zippadeee]

I only watched 10 minutes of footy today and i saw both Casboult & Cripps paid marks that were held half the time Chol held his.
Ive said it for years umpire interference are creating the results in games. They stop run on's and they seem to favour a team before a ball is kicked.
Lynch got his arm chopped against Moore against Collingwood, for no free kick but you watch these soft free's given to forwards at other clubs and wonder why aren't we getting them.
For a premiership team we absolutly get reamed in 50-50 decisions.
We threw the ball, its called straight away.
Then you watch Collingwood players doing there best impersonation of Billy Slater for no free against.
The umpiring will drive people away from the game. They have too much influence.
Its the first year where the actual commentating team are discussing curtain decisions made.
Papley got a double goal because Frawley pushed him over, but a second later Sinclair does the same to Scilly for no decision.
Nick Riewodlt picked it up and spent 5 minutes arguing why wasn't the free kick reversed.

 

[zippadeee]

If people think we were hard done by last night get ready for next wedezdey night.
Our heads will be spinnig for a week.
Footscray get free's for turning up.

 

[DavidSSS]

Hows the Castagna one in the last where he took the ball in the air from a Chol tab and was tackled whilst still in the air. Thrown to the ground and ump calls HTB....

Yep, that was clearly holding the man, free to Castagna. He was tackled while not in possession. Rubbish decision.

Can someone explain this one, player grabs ball, tries to kick whilst being tackled and has an air swing and it's play on.....why isnt that incorrect disposal? The player hasnt kicked it or hand passed it correctly. Happened last night in the last quarter in their forward line and I was nearly without my Panasonic tv for the near future.

Actually that is a correct interpretation if you read the rule. You are holding the ball if you attempt to dispose of the ball incorrectly, if you attempt to kick the ball you are attempting to dispose of the ball correctly. The problem is that half the time they do pay a free when the player is attempting to kick (correct disposal). The problem is the inconsistent way they adjudicate this. The other problem is how long they let a player attempt to dispose of the ball properly when tackled, it's all over the place - varies from 1 nanosecond to a few days.

DS

 

[spook]

Without any context, Ezy, this declaration of allegiance to spooks posting may come back to bite you.

Unlikely.

 

[mrposhman]

Yep, that was clearly holding the man, free to Castagna. He was tackled while not in possession. Rubbish decision.



Actually that is a correct interpretation if you read the rule. You are holding the ball if you attempt to dispose of the ball incorrectly, if you attempt to kick the ball you are attempting to dispose of the ball correctly. The problem is that half the time they do pay a free when the player is attempting to kick (correct disposal). The problem is the inconsistent way they adjudicate this. The other problem is how long they let a player attempt to dispose of the ball properly when tackled, it's all over the place - varies from 1 nanosecond to a few days.

DS

I think thats only if they don't have prior opportunity, ie. if you don't have prior opportunity and you attempt to dispose of the ball but do it incorrectly its play on. If you have had prior opportunity and do not dispose of the ball correctly it is holding the ball.

Seems they are trying to make if you are tackled without prior and show no genuine attempt to dispose of the ball then it is HTB, but its the determination of genuine attempt that I don't get. If the tackler has you in a bear hug, there is little that anyone can do to actually try and dispose of the ball, your arms are completely pinned in a good tackle, but they seem to be paying that more and more as HTB, but its the most inconsistent part of the game right now.

 

[bowden4president]

Can someone explain this one, player grabs ball, tries to kick whilst being tackled and has an air swing and it's play on.....why isnt that incorrect disposal? The player hasnt kicked it or hand passed it correctly. Happened last night in the last quarter in their forward line and I was nearly without my Panasonic tv for the near future.

I was going to ask the same question yesterday. Another one is occasionally players miss the handball and the umpire calls play on and says " he made an attempt". why is it incorrect disposal only sometimes?

There should be a simple rule. You either kick it or handball it correctly. If you throw it, drop it (including missing your foot with a kick) or the new favorite move of just placing the ball on the ground while being tackled, its incorrect disposal.

 

[bowden4president]

Actually that is a correct interpretation if you read the rule. You are holding the ball if you attempt to dispose of the ball incorrectly, if you attempt to kick the ball you are attempting to dispose of the ball correctly. The problem is that half the time they do pay a free when the player is attempting to kick (correct disposal). The problem is the inconsistent way they adjudicate this. The other problem is how long they let a player attempt to dispose of the ball properly when tackled, it's all over the place - varies from 1 nanosecond to a few days.

DS

For some reason, the attempt to handball is only allowed sometimes. Most of the time a failed attempt to handball is called as incorrect disposal dispite the fact the player did attempt a correct disposal

 

[seven]

Think depends what player it is and which team.

 

[tigerman]

Can someone explain this one, player grabs ball, tries to kick whilst being tackled and has an air swing and it's play on.....why isnt that incorrect disposal? The player hasnt kicked it or hand passed it correctly. Happened last night in the last quarter in their forward line and I was nearly without my Panasonic tv for the near future.

Sometimes I think that "incorrect disposal" is no longer a rule of the game. As well as air swings being let go, incorrect disposals are rarely paid now when the ball jars free in a tackle with no attempt made to dispose it, it annoys the hell out of me.

 

[zippadeee]

Get ready for this afternoon's efforts to get Collingwood over the line.

 

[TT33]

"Incorrect disposal" used to be if you were tackled & didn't dispose of the ball by either punching or kicking it you were penalised.
Nowadays it's a raffle as to what the umpire feels like paying.

This is what happens when pumpkins start messing with rules & interpretations of them.

 

[Mycotchinrules]

Get ready for this afternoon's efforts to get Collingwood over the line.

Yep, this will be very interesting.
West Coast in Perth with a crowd. I have a feeling the pies will still get a dream run with the umpires.
We will not.

 

[yandb]

It is all about prior opportunity. if you haven't had prior and are legally tackled and the ball spills out or you attempt a disposal immediately then is is play on.

If you have had prior or fend off and fail to dispose of the ball correctly it is incorrectly you get pinged.

The frustrating thing for the players and fans is the individual umpires interpretation of what is prior opportunity varies from umpire to umpire.

 

[tigerlove]

It is all about prior opportunity. if you haven't had prior and are legally tackled and the ball spills out or you attempt a disposal immediately then is is play on.

If you have had prior of fend off and fail to dispose of the ball correctly it is incorrectly you get pinged.

The frustrating thing for the players and fans is the individual umpires interpretation of what is prior opportunity varies from umpire to umpire.

There's always prior opportunity if you're quick enough otherwise you'e being tackled before you've taken possession. I really think it needs to be a more obvious opportunity than they are often giving. And I think anytime your first action is to move forward with the ball or break through opponents regardless of time just call it holding the ball. It's just so annoying when you see players clearly trying to run with the ball or break through and get tackled and it's a ballup where other time s aplayer is grabbed as soon as they get it, ump waits 10 seconds and then calls ball.

 

[waiting]

There's always prior opportunity if you're quick enough otherwise you'e being tackled before you've taken possession. I really think it needs to be a more obvious opportunity than they are often giving. And I think anytime your first action is to move forward with the ball or break through opponents regardless of time just call it holding the ball. It's just so annoying when you see players clearly trying to run with the ball or break through and get tackled and it's a ballup where other time s aplayer is grabbed as soon as they get it, ump waits 10 seconds and then calls ball.

exactly.

But there is Richmond rule of umpiring vs other teams (Pies, Dogs, GWS etc).