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Umpire farce - Getting worse by the minute!

So Dillon says congestion is the problem and whilst they don’t want to bring in zones it’s obviously something they have looked at.

The best way to reduce congestion is to pay free kicks. So instead of calling play on when a player is tackled and drops the ball, or throws it away creating a rolling maul, pay the free for incorrect disposal. The congestion instantly disappears.

I’m not talking about going to the opposite extreme and becoming free kick happy but maybe reducing the time period that constitutes prior opportunity to less than 45 minutes!!!

The other rule change that has added to the congestion is requiring ruck to nominate.

The umpire just needs to throw the ball up and don't wait for the ruck men to amble into the area and then nominate. This allows everyone else to push into the vicinity.

Similarly the boundary umpire needs to just throw the pill back in. It takes longer than 15 seconds to throw the ball in now. Always more than 15 seconds.

I won't be holding my breath that the AFL "brains trust" can work these things out.
 
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The other rule change that has added to the congestion is requiring ruck to nominate.

The umpire just needs to throw the ball up and don't wait for the ruck men to amble into the area and then nominate. This allows everyone else to push into the vicinity.

Similarly the boundary umpire needs to just throw the pill back in. It takes longer than 15 seconds to throw the ball in now. Always more than 15 seconds.

I won't be holding my breath that the AFL "brains trust" can work these things out.
Without the nominate rule, we'd go back to the problem of players being blocked from competing in the ruck.
 
Congestion is not a problem! This isn't Roos flood days anymore! Officiating is the problem!
 
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Without the nominate rule, we'd go back to the problem of players being blocked from competing in the ruck.
So if I understand correctly, you're more worried about blocking in the ruck than congestion at stoppages.

Is that right?

Personally I'll take the very few times a game blocking would occur if it meant that teams couldn't flood the stoppage and have time to set up their defensive structures.
 
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Besides the fact it’s completely against the rules, how does the ever manipulative, ever contrived AFL think that in congested situations, by not paying a blatant HTB that this is helping relieve the situation ? All that happens - per Cripps, Walsh, Treloar etc - is that they either throw it (again against the rules) or they just drop it (incorrect disposal ….against the rules as well) and that otherwise the ball just bobbles onto the ground again, stacks on again , more congestion.

Pay a free you idiots and besides the fact somebody will kick it out of a congested zone, you’ll also be avoiding multiple incorrect applications of the rules.

Too simple and too much common sense there.

The rules on HTB state -

18.6.2 Free Kicks - Holding the Ball: Prior OpportunityWhere a Player in Possession of the Football has had Prior Opportunity, a field Umpire shallaward a Free Kick if that Player does not Correctly Dispose of the football immediately when they are Legally Tackled.

18.6.4 Free Kicks - Holding the Ball: No Genuine AttemptWhere a Player in Possession of the Football has not had Prior Opportunity, a field Umpireshall award a Free Kick if the Player is able to, but does not make a genuine attempt toCorrectly Dispose of the football within a reasonable time when Legally Tackled.


So if you have prior the second you are tackled you need to immediately dispose of it. Apply the rule you idiots so Cripps and his type cannot spin 360 and then decide what to do with it.

And on the second part they need to clarify what reasonable time is - IMO it should not be long enbough to assess options. It should be enough time to get their hand or foot to the ball and attempt a disposal.

It is not that hard. Just apply the *smile* rules as they are written.

I saw Steve McBurney last night justifying the time given to Curnow in the Macandrew tackle - WTF? he says it was the correct decision. That is way too much time to be given when tackled and will only result in injuries. Ultimately, when you have a geek who has never played football running the umpiring department you are in trouble.
 
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Hmm, don't read the Murdoch rubbish, maybe I could look in the library.

Or . . . you could post them here!

Would be a good stat, wonder why AFL Tables doesn't include this. Anyone know anywhere online this is published?

DS
I would guess the AFL media all use Champion Data which I don't think is available to the public.

AFL Tables is an unofficial site. It is not 100% accurate and doesn't capture everything but it is very very good for what they provide.
 
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The other rule change that has added to the congestion is requiring ruck to nominate.

The umpire just needs to throw the ball up and don't wait for the ruck men to amble into the area and then nominate. This allows everyone else to push into the vicinity.

Similarly the boundary umpire needs to just throw the pill back in. It takes longer than 15 seconds to throw the ball in now. Always more than 15 seconds.

I won't be holding my breath that the AFL "brains trust" can work these things out.
Good point razor, all it does is give more time for players to gather around the area
 
Brad Scott reckoned last night that all the stats they have on the game suggest that the game has less congestion now, not more.

The real problem here is that the contrived AFL wants again, to create certain outcomes, and in the process, causes a bunch of headaches for itself.

The AFL is actually the biggest problem with the game. Not the coaches, not the players, not the rules. The AFL.
 
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Especially given the ripping that Hinkley, and to a lesser extent Brad Scott both gave them last night. Hinkley pretty much suggested that AFL House is a mess at the moment.
Hinkley is just trying to divert attention from his new coaching record- most games coached without a GF appearance.
 
So Dillon says congestion is the problem and whilst they don’t want to bring in zones it’s obviously something they have looked at.

The best way to reduce congestion is to pay free kicks. So instead of calling play on when a player is tackled and drops the ball, or throws it away creating a rolling maul, pay the free for incorrect disposal. The congestion instantly disappears.

I’m not talking about going to the opposite extreme and becoming free kick happy but maybe reducing the time period that constitutes prior opportunity to less than 45 minutes!!!
Maybe everyone, except the rucks, should have to "stand" as soon as a whistle blows.
And maybe to ensure this can be officiated, the no of field umpires could be increased. to 18.
 
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So if I understand correctly, you're more worried about blocking in the ruck than congestion at stoppages.

Is that right?

Personally I'll take the very few times a game blocking would occur if it meant that teams couldn't flood the stoppage and have time to set up their defensive structures.
Yes that's right. Congestion was a problem before the nominate rule was introduced. The only way I can see to solve congestion is to reduce the number of players on the field, or somehow reduce the number of players around a stoppage.
 
The other rule change that has added to the congestion is requiring ruck to nominate.

The umpire just needs to throw the ball up and don't wait for the ruck men to amble into the area and then nominate. This allows everyone else to push into the vicinity.
No. The easiest way to reduce congestion is for the umpire to get the ball and just boot it in any direction.
It’s instant, it’s simple and players would be hurrying and scattering everywhere. All sorted.
Little *smile* like Razor Ray who can’t bounce the ball can kick it. He wouldn’t be part of the decision making because he’d be perving on how beautiful his kick was. The cheating *smile* wits we have now wouldn’t get to pay so many frees against us as the ball would bo on the move. And the idiots with whistles would be too busy brushing their product filled hair or giving their chromedomes a bit of turtle wax for the cameras.
Similarly the boundary umpire needs to just throw the pill back in. It takes longer than 15 seconds to throw the ball in now. Always more than 15 seconds.
He can do the same, don’t throw it. Just kick it towards the centre. Players would be running back, no groups, no congestion. All fixed.

I won't be holding my breath that the AFL "brains trust" can work these things out.
Tell them to call me, or my manager.
 
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Yes that's right. Congestion was a problem before the nominate rule was introduced. The only way I can see to solve congestion is to reduce the number of players on the field, or somehow reduce the number of players around a stoppage.
I agree that congestion has been a problem for longer than the ruck rule changes, but the rule change has compounded the problem.

Increased interchange numbers and unlimited interchanges are the root cause of the congestion. I'd fully support a change to 4 interchanges per quarter. Good luck running up and back if only 4 blokes get a rest each quarter.
 
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Increased interchange numbers and unlimited interchanges are the root cause of the congestion. I'd fully support a change to 4 interchanges per quarter. Good luck running up and back if only 4 blokes get a rest each quarter.
We've had limited interchanges for a few years with little impact. But I agree with you on severely limiting them -- 4 sounds like the perfect number.
 
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Besides the fact it’s completely against the rules, how does the ever manipulative, ever contrived AFL think that in congested situations, by not paying a blatant HTB that this is helping relieve the situation ? All that happens - per Cripps, Walsh, Treloar etc - is that they either throw it (again against the rules) or they just drop it (incorrect disposal ….against the rules as well) and that otherwise the ball just bobbles onto the ground again, stacks on again , more congestion.

Pay a free you idiots and besides the fact somebody will kick it out of a congested zone, you’ll also be avoiding multiple incorrect applications of the rules.

Just how well is the AFL going right now under Dillon and Kane ? Not very well I’d suggest. Especially given the ripping that Hinkley, and to a lesser extent Brad Scott both gave them last night. Hinkley pretty much suggested that AFL House is a mess at the moment.

The fact that Dillon blamed the coaches for congestion and Kane has said that they love the grey, then I'm convinced that none of them actually know anything about the game. The dumbies can't figure out that if you pay more frees, it opens the game up. The more stoppages, the more defensive setups can be pushed higher up the ground as the chance of a "good" kick out of congestion is reduced and the chances of a dump kick increase. They are really just stating how dumb they are at this point. What chance does the game have, with these morons in charge of it.
 
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The fact that Dillon blamed the coaches for congestion and Kane has said that they love the grey, then I'm convinced that none of them actually know anything about the game. The dumbies can't figure out that if you pay more frees, it opens the game up. The more stoppages, the more defensive setups can be pushed higher up the ground as the chance of a "good" kick out of congestion is reduced and the chances of a dump kick increase. They are really just stating how dumb they are at this point. What chance does the game have, with these morons in charge of it.
I think because what they really want to do is have less players and shorten the games. 4 15 minute quarters would really suit them. They can fixture double headers and if they bring in 2 new teams and the number goes to 20, they can schedule them all in. Thursday night is now acceptable. Get ready for Wednesday night football.
 
Travis Boak just said (politely) that in his 18 years in the game he’s never been so “confused” about the HTB rule. Then Sam Doherty echoed that.

Ffs. The AFL just stuff everything and anything up with the rules due to their incessant tampering with them and their endless changes in interpretation of them.

They make the game way way harder to officiate than it really is. They’re the problem, the AFL.
 
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Nick Riewoldt just whacked the umpires boss and rightfully pointed out the hypocrisy with “ intent”

Geez they’re full of *smile* the umpires and the AFL. Where was “judging the action” and not the intent when Warner kicked the ball into the grandstand in 2022 ?

These losers just make it up to suit…. from one instance to another.
 
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