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jb03 said:
No payout.
Bit rough if she wins, say, four races in the autumn and three in the spring, and is scratched after running a temperature on Cox Plate morning. Then wins the Mackinnon...
Besides, connections have raised the possibility of her running in England next year, which would make it tough to stay up until the end of October.
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easy_tiger
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jb03 said:
Theres quite a few non-sensible persons drawn to punting.
but yeah, arguably the shittest value futures punt ive ever seen.
Bart Cummings secret second family
TWO sisters who say they are the biological grandchildren of legendary horse trainer Bart Cummings are asking his family for DNA samples so their claims can be finally settled.
Kim and Julia Mander have enlisted the services of a lawyer and have gone public with their request, saying previous approaches to the Cups King had been unsuccessful.
The siblings, who spoke exclusively to the Sunday Herald Sun, say they are willing to sign documents forfeiting any rights for financial claims against the $30 million Cummings estate, adding they felt they had a right to confirm their biological heritage now and for any future children.
Kim, 29, and Julia, 27, believe their father, Peter Mander who died, aged 54, of a brain tumour in 2006 was the secret biological child of Bart from a relationship with their grandmother before he was married.
They say their father spent the last 10 years of his life trying to reconcile with Cummings including meeting him on three separate occasions and it is now up to them to honour his memory.
We will sign any document that this is not about money, said Kim, a specialist in brain cancer research with the Neurosurgical Research Foundation at the University of Adelaide.
Bringing this in to the open is all about recognition for our dad and, hopefully, to gain our medical records.
It makes no difference for us if our grandfather was Bart Cummings or the milkman but its vitally important to get some clarity. We would like the DNA as its our genes, too.
From a medical standpoint, having our brother (Adam) die in infancy is potentially a genetic issue we need to know about.
When approached by the Sunday Herald Sun, Cummings son, Anthony Cummings, expressed no surprise at the story.
Asked whether he had heard the story before and if he wished to make a statement, he said: I have no recollection of the name (Peter Mander) or the circumstances so there is nothing more I can add.
The sisters have provided compelling information including birth certificates, letters, photographs and statutory declarations to support their claims they are the grandchildren of Cummings, who was born at Glenelg in 1927 and went on to train 12 Melbourne Cup winners.
If their story can be confirmed, then Cummings autobiography, My Life, published in 2011, had a large hole in it.
They say their grandmother, Patricia Kilmartin, met Cummings at a mutual friends 21st birthday when she was 18 and he was 23, in 1950.
The couple courted for more than a year but, when Patricia fell pregnant in mid-1951, Cummings dumped her possibly at the insistence of his devout Catholic parents, Jim and Annie.
Patricia was devastated as being an unmarried mother was considered scandalous in that era.
Her anger and frustration bubbled over in dramatic fashion a few weeks later at a party when Bart arrived with another woman, Valmae Baker, he later married and had five children with.
Patricias child, Peter, was born at the Queen Victoria Maternity Hospital on May 3, 1952.
In a statutory declaration written four months before her death in January 2000, Patricia, who married Lloyd Mander in 1953, stated: Bart was my only partner in that period and our relationship was of an intimate nature. There is no doubt, in fact, no possibility somebody other than J.B. Cummings is the father of my child.
In an interview with the Sunday Herald Sun at his Pooraka home, Lloyd Mander, 84, confirmed that Peter was not his son and that he agreed to marry Patricia knowing full well she was pregnant with a child by Bart Cummings.
Everyone knew about it in our group including the witnesses at our wedding, said an emotional Mr Mander.
I did the right thing by Patricia after Mr High and Mighty (Bart) decided he was a Cummings and could do whatever he pleased.
I took on all the responsibility and he never paid a cent.
Mr Mander said, during a meeting with Peter in Sydney, Cummings had requested to meet with him one day so he could thank him for raising Peter but the meeting had never happened.
He said he was initially shocked and then accepting that, after 65 years, the story would finally be made public.
It hasnt come from me ... but the truth is the truth, he added.
The sisters have the DNA of their grandmother and father stored in preparation to be checked against the profiles of any Cummings family member.
This would provide a definitive answer should any of them be willing.
Peter Mander and his wife Tricia, who were married in Adelaide in 1979, had three children Adam, Kimberley and Julia.
A family friend first mentioned to Peter, in 1996, that he was Cummings son.
Julia said that, despite several meetings, her father was never accepted as Cummings son.
Dad was never acknowledged for anything. He never had that moment when he could say who his dad was, said Julia, a teacher at Seymour College.
We noticed a difference in his personality when he found out. It played on his mind. Then he became sick and this didnt help. He was torn apart by it.
The women, both educated at Loreto College, wrote to Cummings in 2010.
They told him they were not interested in any public or legal claim and would not pursue him if he did not respond. The sisters say they were very hurt when there was no response.
Cummings died, aged 87, last August and his family, including ailing wife Valmae and surviving children Margaret, Anthony, Sharon and Anne-Marie, are currently contesting his estate in the NSW courts.
Watching Cummings state funeral in Sydney last year stirred the sisters emotions.
I got very upset when I watched the funeral, said Julia, a keen horseracing follower who refuses to back a Cummings family trained horse.
I was frustrated they portrayed the image of King Bart as a devoted family man and yet he disowned a child.
Dad gave us positive communication we could achieve anything we wanted in life, which he never had. We are proud of our story and proud of our dad.
We know who our family is but its just upsetting that we cant get to meet them.
Julia said she found it difficult looking at James Cummings Barts 28-year-old grandson who won the $1.5 million Victoria Derby with Prized Icon at Flemington last month because he is a similar age to the sisters and bears a striking resemblance.
Ive done a comparison of photos with (Barts son) Anthony, his son, James, and our dad and every time I see James I think he looks like a family member, she said.
The sisters say they decided to go public because they are tired of all the secrets and want everyone to know what they believe to be the truth.
Its time to tell it how it is, suffer the pain and move on, said Kim, who chose a career in researching brain tumours because of her fathers illness.
One thing weve learned from all this is that its not good to keep secrets.
Eventually the secrets come out and they are more painful when they do.
Our dad was such a brilliant man and I cant understand why someone who was related to him wouldnt want to get to know him.
If we could meet with just one member of the Cummings family to talk about Dad and his story, that would be a really nice outcome.
TWO sisters who say they are the biological grandchildren of legendary horse trainer Bart Cummings are asking his family for DNA samples so their claims can be finally settled.
Kim and Julia Mander have enlisted the services of a lawyer and have gone public with their request, saying previous approaches to the Cups King had been unsuccessful.
The siblings, who spoke exclusively to the Sunday Herald Sun, say they are willing to sign documents forfeiting any rights for financial claims against the $30 million Cummings estate, adding they felt they had a right to confirm their biological heritage now and for any future children.
Kim, 29, and Julia, 27, believe their father, Peter Mander who died, aged 54, of a brain tumour in 2006 was the secret biological child of Bart from a relationship with their grandmother before he was married.
They say their father spent the last 10 years of his life trying to reconcile with Cummings including meeting him on three separate occasions and it is now up to them to honour his memory.
We will sign any document that this is not about money, said Kim, a specialist in brain cancer research with the Neurosurgical Research Foundation at the University of Adelaide.
Bringing this in to the open is all about recognition for our dad and, hopefully, to gain our medical records.
It makes no difference for us if our grandfather was Bart Cummings or the milkman but its vitally important to get some clarity. We would like the DNA as its our genes, too.
From a medical standpoint, having our brother (Adam) die in infancy is potentially a genetic issue we need to know about.
When approached by the Sunday Herald Sun, Cummings son, Anthony Cummings, expressed no surprise at the story.
Asked whether he had heard the story before and if he wished to make a statement, he said: I have no recollection of the name (Peter Mander) or the circumstances so there is nothing more I can add.
The sisters have provided compelling information including birth certificates, letters, photographs and statutory declarations to support their claims they are the grandchildren of Cummings, who was born at Glenelg in 1927 and went on to train 12 Melbourne Cup winners.
If their story can be confirmed, then Cummings autobiography, My Life, published in 2011, had a large hole in it.
They say their grandmother, Patricia Kilmartin, met Cummings at a mutual friends 21st birthday when she was 18 and he was 23, in 1950.
The couple courted for more than a year but, when Patricia fell pregnant in mid-1951, Cummings dumped her possibly at the insistence of his devout Catholic parents, Jim and Annie.
Patricia was devastated as being an unmarried mother was considered scandalous in that era.
Her anger and frustration bubbled over in dramatic fashion a few weeks later at a party when Bart arrived with another woman, Valmae Baker, he later married and had five children with.
Patricias child, Peter, was born at the Queen Victoria Maternity Hospital on May 3, 1952.
In a statutory declaration written four months before her death in January 2000, Patricia, who married Lloyd Mander in 1953, stated: Bart was my only partner in that period and our relationship was of an intimate nature. There is no doubt, in fact, no possibility somebody other than J.B. Cummings is the father of my child.
In an interview with the Sunday Herald Sun at his Pooraka home, Lloyd Mander, 84, confirmed that Peter was not his son and that he agreed to marry Patricia knowing full well she was pregnant with a child by Bart Cummings.
Everyone knew about it in our group including the witnesses at our wedding, said an emotional Mr Mander.
I did the right thing by Patricia after Mr High and Mighty (Bart) decided he was a Cummings and could do whatever he pleased.
I took on all the responsibility and he never paid a cent.
Mr Mander said, during a meeting with Peter in Sydney, Cummings had requested to meet with him one day so he could thank him for raising Peter but the meeting had never happened.
He said he was initially shocked and then accepting that, after 65 years, the story would finally be made public.
It hasnt come from me ... but the truth is the truth, he added.
The sisters have the DNA of their grandmother and father stored in preparation to be checked against the profiles of any Cummings family member.
This would provide a definitive answer should any of them be willing.
Peter Mander and his wife Tricia, who were married in Adelaide in 1979, had three children Adam, Kimberley and Julia.
A family friend first mentioned to Peter, in 1996, that he was Cummings son.
Julia said that, despite several meetings, her father was never accepted as Cummings son.
Dad was never acknowledged for anything. He never had that moment when he could say who his dad was, said Julia, a teacher at Seymour College.
We noticed a difference in his personality when he found out. It played on his mind. Then he became sick and this didnt help. He was torn apart by it.
The women, both educated at Loreto College, wrote to Cummings in 2010.
They told him they were not interested in any public or legal claim and would not pursue him if he did not respond. The sisters say they were very hurt when there was no response.
Cummings died, aged 87, last August and his family, including ailing wife Valmae and surviving children Margaret, Anthony, Sharon and Anne-Marie, are currently contesting his estate in the NSW courts.
Watching Cummings state funeral in Sydney last year stirred the sisters emotions.
I got very upset when I watched the funeral, said Julia, a keen horseracing follower who refuses to back a Cummings family trained horse.
I was frustrated they portrayed the image of King Bart as a devoted family man and yet he disowned a child.
Dad gave us positive communication we could achieve anything we wanted in life, which he never had. We are proud of our story and proud of our dad.
We know who our family is but its just upsetting that we cant get to meet them.
Julia said she found it difficult looking at James Cummings Barts 28-year-old grandson who won the $1.5 million Victoria Derby with Prized Icon at Flemington last month because he is a similar age to the sisters and bears a striking resemblance.
Ive done a comparison of photos with (Barts son) Anthony, his son, James, and our dad and every time I see James I think he looks like a family member, she said.
The sisters say they decided to go public because they are tired of all the secrets and want everyone to know what they believe to be the truth.
Its time to tell it how it is, suffer the pain and move on, said Kim, who chose a career in researching brain tumours because of her fathers illness.
One thing weve learned from all this is that its not good to keep secrets.
Eventually the secrets come out and they are more painful when they do.
Our dad was such a brilliant man and I cant understand why someone who was related to him wouldnt want to get to know him.
If we could meet with just one member of the Cummings family to talk about Dad and his story, that would be a really nice outcome.
^^ All sounds highly altruistic, so forgive my suspicions regarding the timing with Bart not around to answer and his will in dispute.
For racing fans sworn off backing Cummings runners, they seem to have a bit invested on Bart's Sperm getting up.
For racing fans sworn off backing Cummings runners, they seem to have a bit invested on Bart's Sperm getting up.
Hopefully Chadwick doesn't murder Pakistan Star like he did last start. It's fun watching the good horses run when the hoops give 'em a chance. Tonight at 8.15 (you can watch it on ch78 free to air in Vic). Giddy up.
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tigerman said:
yeah tigerman, sensible punter is a bit of an oxymoron :hihi
so they reckon Bart jumped out of his paddock as a colt hey?
its not uncommon.
Chadwick is a clown, an evil clown. Put Moreira on Pakistan Star and 4-2-2-0 becomes 4-4-0-0. Good day for the Aussies in Sha Tin
For those still interested, both Mossbeat and Urban Ruler go around at Pakenham today.
Mossbeat didn't let down at Sandown last start, track was too firm. Drawn wide today and a 3kg claimer - will need luck in running but worth a $ each way at current odds of $15.
Urban was very poorly ridden last start - if you forget that run he would be a warm favourite in this - has drawn nicely and with a 2kg claim for Beau Mertens should get a nice sit off the pace. Was $8, now $6 but worth $2 each way at those odds.
All care no responsibility!
T44
Mossbeat didn't let down at Sandown last start, track was too firm. Drawn wide today and a 3kg claimer - will need luck in running but worth a $ each way at current odds of $15.
Urban was very poorly ridden last start - if you forget that run he would be a warm favourite in this - has drawn nicely and with a 2kg claim for Beau Mertens should get a nice sit off the pace. Was $8, now $6 but worth $2 each way at those odds.
All care no responsibility!
T44
Pakistan Star goes around in the last race at Sha Tin tonight (8.50 on ch78). This horse is a freak and has the speed at the pointy end, it all comes down to the timing when the evil clown Chadwick decides to hit the turbo.
Fantastic nights racing. Highland Reel, Able Friend, Maurice all look good things. The Aussies - Rebel Dane and Takedown take on Lucky Bubbles in r5.
Great jockeys - Moore, Moreira and the Aussie hoops (who win plenty of races at Sha Tin.)
Even if you don't follow the Hong racing scene today is the day to tune in.
Fantastic nights racing. Highland Reel, Able Friend, Maurice all look good things. The Aussies - Rebel Dane and Takedown take on Lucky Bubbles in r5.
Great jockeys - Moore, Moreira and the Aussie hoops (who win plenty of races at Sha Tin.)
Even if you don't follow the Hong racing scene today is the day to tune in.
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easy_tiger
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RFC not KFC said:
jeez Joey Moreira is a great jockey.
Satono Crown could be the next Japanese star in the spring. Beating Highland Reel is hard to do.
Moreira is right up there in my favourites - any sport. His sense of timing is extraordinary, beating Highland Reel was not something I was expecting to see. Must admit I was also bloody impressed with Moore's ride on Maurice, thought he'd stuffed it but he got it bang on. I don;t know if it's the trainer's instructions or the evil clown Chadwick but I'd love to see Pakistan Star given a chance. All in all it was a great night's racing - I've added attending HK Cup to my bucket list (a lot more achievable than seeing the Tigers win a flag)
RFC not KFC said:
I wen't to a meet at Happy Valley RnK, amazing night, everything about it, eating at the markets outside, the intimacy of the track, the frenzy of the betting ring, the skyscrapers all around, and I also ended up $200 up by backing Brett Prebble all night ;D. Highly recommended.
http://www.rwwa.com.au/cris/JwPlayer.aspx?jw=JnJlcGxheVVybD1odHRwOi8vbWVkaWFyd3dhLnNreXJhY2luZy5jb20uYXUvUmFjZV9SZXBsYXkvMjAxNi8xMi8yMDE2MTIxN0FTQ1IwN19WLm1wNCZ2ZW51ZT1BU0NPVCZyYWNlRGF0ZT0yMDE2LTEyLTE3JnJhY2VOd
What a race, a shame the leader couldn't hang on.
What a race, a shame the leader couldn't hang on.
A female rider was tragically killed today in New Zealand with two of her children present at the track. The past eight racetrack deaths in Australia & New Zealand have been women. Is this something that requires closer inspection?
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