LeeToRainesToRoach said:
that attitude would allow bull fighting, *smile* fighting, dog fighting plus any other sort of animal cruelty.
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that attitude would allow bull fighting, *smile* fighting, dog fighting plus any other sort of animal cruelty.
http://www.watoday.com.au/sport/horseracing/melbourne-cup-2014-the-cleanup-begins-20141104-11gvog.html
who are the loonies??
who are the loonies??
Brodders17 said:
Some stuntmen die in the making of films for entertainment. That is also a fact. Ultimately the best horses are selectively bred to each other in order to produce superior animals. It is as legitimate a field of endeavour as any other.
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
This.
Horse racing is a huge part of this countries culture and history.
Long may it continue.
spook said:
I enjoy the odd punt and love going to the races Spooker. I hate self-righteous hand-wringing as much as the next man.
But your argument is invalid. I don't buy any of this spiritual worship of horses, I reckon they're pretty stupid. But the fact is they feel fear and they feel pain. If we can make the sport less ugly I'm all for it. Looks like the VRC will act on the Araldo death and I hope they can conduct some research into the Admire Ratki disaster also.
Leysy Days said:
I'm not arguing necessarily that horse racing should be banned but if history and culture are the best reasons to continue to allow it then perhaps it should be.
smasha said:
When was the last time you put rubbish in a bin at the G? All goes under the seat and in the days of standing in the outer the empties were just tossed at your feet.
TigerForce said:
Gee the 30 years I worked ina bank no one worked on Cup Day save a few in the dealing room as Sydney markets stayed open. But Sydney just sbout closes at lunchtime on Cup Day. Think the second biggest crowd of year is the Randwick Melbourne Vup meeting.
People in Far north queensland watch and get on it. No one forces them. My 87 yo mother who hasn't been on race track once in her life nor buys a tattlotto ticket will have a bet on the Cup. Yep maybe it doesn't stand logical analysis and compared to ridding the world of poverty it's trivial and wasteful but it's part of our psyche, part of Our culture. Maybe the growing number of Australians from non gambling non drinking and Less leisure focussed cultures will see its prominence diminish but I will be long gone by then.
It causes the life of those animals. Precious few die because of horse racing. Almost all would never have lived if not for it. Horses have suffered broken legs and slow, painful deaths for a lot longer than humans have raced them. If you don't like it, don't watch, but please don't imply that you care more about the welfare of these magnificent beasts than do racing supporters, considering that you would deny them life at all. And what would you propose be done with all the current thoroughbreds should racing be banned? What do you realistically think would happen to most of them?Brodders17 said:
Horse racing for the main is a celebration of the beauty, grace and power of a glorious species of animal whose symbiotic relationship with humans is historically second only to the dog's.
spook said:
i think the figure (happy to be corrected) is something like 160 horses have died at the race track in Australia in the last 12 months. im not sure that counts as precious few. add those killed because they dont make it as racers and im sure that number would increase a lot.
the rest of your argument seems to be that because they are bred for the pleasure of people it doesnt matter what happens to them?
Questions need to be answered about demise of Melbourne Cup favourite Admire Rakti
Max Presnell
Sydney Morning Herald
November 16, 2014
Questions should be answered about Admire Rakti, which dropped dead after the Melbourne Cup at Flemington. Yes, the entire died of rare heart attack and a post-mortem examination result will hopefully be produced this week.
But punters who had an invested an estimated $20 million on the Cup favourite are entitled to an explanation about his preparation for the Big One and the riding tactics employed.
Did Admire Rakti have the same training routine for the Flemington 3200 metres as he did to win the 2400m Caulfield Cup and, if not, why?
He was up on a breakneck pace down the straight for the first time. That was completely different to how he was ridden at Caulfield, when settling well back off a farcically slow tempo.
Apparently, Admire Rakti has raced forward before – but under handicap conditions? Humping 58.5 kilograms? Maybe Zac Purton was following instructions. Well, why weren't they made public, the Australian rule? Possibly the dark side of Admire Rakti came to the fore and he wanted to go hard, leaving the jockey with no option.
Racing Victoria chief steward Terry Bailey was concerned about reports Admire Rakti could not win the Melbourne Cup and had the official vet, Brian Stewart, examine the stayer, and reported he had trotted him up on race morning and declared him "as fit as a fiddle". Looks can be deceptive when it comes to stayers being fit enough for two miles.
Perhaps Australia's biggest race is international in flavour nowadays, but our punters still make a huge contribution and are entitled to a full explanation when a hot favourite is beaten under Admire Rakti's circumstances. Or do visitors these days get some sort of diplomatic immunity?
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/questions-need-to-be-answered-about-demise-of-melbourne-cup-favourite-admire-rakti-20141116-11nqor.html
Max Presnell
Sydney Morning Herald
November 16, 2014
Questions should be answered about Admire Rakti, which dropped dead after the Melbourne Cup at Flemington. Yes, the entire died of rare heart attack and a post-mortem examination result will hopefully be produced this week.
But punters who had an invested an estimated $20 million on the Cup favourite are entitled to an explanation about his preparation for the Big One and the riding tactics employed.
Did Admire Rakti have the same training routine for the Flemington 3200 metres as he did to win the 2400m Caulfield Cup and, if not, why?
He was up on a breakneck pace down the straight for the first time. That was completely different to how he was ridden at Caulfield, when settling well back off a farcically slow tempo.
Apparently, Admire Rakti has raced forward before – but under handicap conditions? Humping 58.5 kilograms? Maybe Zac Purton was following instructions. Well, why weren't they made public, the Australian rule? Possibly the dark side of Admire Rakti came to the fore and he wanted to go hard, leaving the jockey with no option.
Racing Victoria chief steward Terry Bailey was concerned about reports Admire Rakti could not win the Melbourne Cup and had the official vet, Brian Stewart, examine the stayer, and reported he had trotted him up on race morning and declared him "as fit as a fiddle". Looks can be deceptive when it comes to stayers being fit enough for two miles.
Perhaps Australia's biggest race is international in flavour nowadays, but our punters still make a huge contribution and are entitled to a full explanation when a hot favourite is beaten under Admire Rakti's circumstances. Or do visitors these days get some sort of diplomatic immunity?
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/questions-need-to-be-answered-about-demise-of-melbourne-cup-favourite-admire-rakti-20141116-11nqor.html
