Thoroughbred racing

[22nd Man]

As AR had run over 3400m earlier in an earlier preparation don't think distance was issue and simply running against normal pattern leads to hitting the wall 300m from home not a heart attack. Would punters have been any happier if he had somehow hung on to win and collapsed after the post?

If every time a jockey disregarded riding instructions a horse died the track would be littered with corpses.

Bizarre article.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

As AR had run over 3400m earlier in an earlier preparation don't think distance was issue and simply running against normal pattern leads to hitting the wall 300m from home not a heart attack. Would punters have been any happier if he had somehow hung on to win and collapsed after the post?

If every time a jockey disregarded riding instructions a horse died the track would be littered with corpses.

Bizarre article.

Disagree. It wasn't some maiden at Cessnock, it carried more money than any other horse for the year. Questions left hanging by the VRC.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

"Mr Purton explained that the horse got much further back than connections had hoped in the Caulfield Cup after being beaten out of the gates and then shuffled back by other runners in the rush to the first corner.

In the Melbourne Cup the horse jumped on better terms and was able to take up a desired position in the leading division with the longer run to the first turn. His pre-race instructions to be running in the first six were consistent with the horse’s overall racing pattern in Japan.

In all circumstances we are satisfied with the riding tactics of Mr Purton in the Melbourne Cup."

http://www.racing.com/news/2014-11-19/no-case-to-answer-for-purton-on-cup-ride

I disagree and can direct Bailey to videos of the horse running home from the rear in several Japan G1's, but there it is.

Drug test results still three weeks away.

 

[Dyer'ere]

I wanted to look back over the spring racing. It was a brut carnival.

I think this was a turning point in the Melbourne Cup and in Australian breeding. By breeding I mean the plan to breed stayers or sprinters.

2000m +.

Admire Rakti was slaughtered by Zac Purton in the Caulfield Cup. A Japanese stayer against, only Australasian horses, he won the race morally by five lengths. I would say that after Gurners Lane and Might and Power, Admire Rakti was the most impressive CC winner in modern times. Better than Fawkner.

If the Cox Plate were run in autumn it would be dominated by 3yos. Adelaide is northern bred, and was effectively, an autumn 3yo. The result was a decisive win to Adelaide but Fawkner raced too close. Bad decisions by the stable.

On to the bad decisions. The almost unanimous opinion of Those Who Don't Know before the Cox Plate was that The Cleaner would lead on a cotton rein. Personally, I couldn't see how The Cleaner would ever be closer than three-wide all the way. The mainstream was deluded. So was I. But he unavoidable truth was that there would be pace in the 2014 Cox Plate. Fawkner sat too close. Adelaide outstayed them. The Australasian champion Fawkner was not disgraced at the shorter trip. Some hope for the locals.

FWIW I call 'Jury out' on Adelaide. I just dunno.

D K Weir smuggled Signoff into the Melbourne Cup. Signoff is not much good. But with 49.5kg we was the wildcard for pace. A lightweight must ensure pace the the heavyweights feel the burden.

For the first time in years the Melbourne Cup was truly run. And Protectionist destroyed them.

The big races in Australia netted a clean sweep to imports. Two massacres, one fair and square. That is the state of the nation.

Which raises the question - what are the big races in Australia?

They're the sprints. You can be wrong when you tell us that the best sprinter in Australia is the best sprinter in the world. But not often.

The sprint at the Valley was a cracker. Lanakn Rupee was crook in a hoof. Newitt burned them all from the barrier. But when he drew on the old Lankan Rupee there was no jet under him. Just a fighter.

The big six furlong race at Flemington? Chatauqua had been outstanding over the course. But up in class and at WFA he was a query. When Vain Queen annihilated Boundless by much the same margin as he did the big race got interesting and he blew.

Terravista was a great run at the Valley. But not the best. What mattered was that he raced like a Flemington horse. When he got to HQ he was too good on the day. (I backed Terravista.) But come autumn, if Price can get Lankan Rupee's feet right, LR will give the rest a good look at them. Best sprinter in the world IMO.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

For the first time in years the Melbourne Cup was truly run. And Protectionist destroyed them.

Came home with a sprinter's sectionals. But now that he's staying out here, which other races suit? He'll be weighted out of handicaps and you can count our WFA races longer than 2000m on the fingers of one hand.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Came home with a sprinter's sectionals. But now that he's staying out here, which other races suit? He'll be weighted out of handicaps and you can count our WFA races longer than 2000m on the fingers of one hand.

I'd be setting him for the Australian Cup and Tancred, L2. He's northern 4yo with only ten lifetime starts. His form until the MC was largely unexposed. I'd have him favourite for the Tancred Stakes. And if the Australian Cup were truly run he'd win it.

I reckon there was ten lengths improvement in the horse from the Herbert Power to the MC. We haven't seen the best of him IMO.

 

[Bunnerz]

i just put a post up a few may be intersted in.....

 

[scottyturnerscurse]

#standbyMoody
#standbyKav
#standbyDOB

 

[Rosy]

#standbyMoody
...

Does anyone think a guilty verdict would somehow put a bit of a cloud over Black Caviar's career? Hope all's sorted out and no wrong doing was done.

 

[scottyturnerscurse]

Does anyone think a guilty verdict would somehow put a bit of a cloud over Black Caviar's career? Hope all's sorted out and no wrong doing was done.

A little, you'd reckon.

Doesn't look good for them, especially O'Brien. Big challenge for the industry when three of the state's top ten trainers appear to be doping.

 

[Bunnerz]

Mark Riley suspended 3 years...tubing

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

I'd be setting him for the Australian Cup and Tancred, L2. He's northern 4yo with only ten lifetime starts. His form until the MC was largely unexposed. I'd have him favourite for the Tancred Stakes. And if the Australian Cup were truly run he'd win it.

I reckon there was ten lengths improvement in the horse from the Herbert Power to the MC. We haven't seen the best of him IMO.

Plodder.

 

[Bunnerz]

Extra Zero nearly won at 100-1 in Australia Cup....oh my.
Red Cadeaux ran good again, so did The Cleaner.

 

[scottyturnerscurse]

DumbO Brien done for a fourth time on cobalt...on a sprinter. What a clown.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Plodder.

Certainly looks that way ATM, L2. Luckily Lees has been potting his prospects in the two Autumn runs so far so I've stayed off. (Not that you'd touch the horse fresh anyway.) Lees has said the horse is aimed at the Tancred.

But the thing I may be reading between the line is that he doesn't think much of what he's seen so far. I feel like he could say at any second 'Why do you keep asking me about Protectionist? it can't sweat.'

In the Herbert Power, the St George and the Australian Cup Protectionist couldn't sweat.

My thinking is that if Wohler had trained Protectionist to win the 2015 Australian Cup it would have sat behind Extra Zero and won the race be three an a harf.

I'll be interested to see how he goes in the Tancred, L2, but unless I can get a price and can see a tempo I won't be on.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Extra Zero nearly won at 100-1 in Australia Cup....oh my.

When I looked at the field in the morning I was thrown back to Dandy Andy, Bunnerz. I ended up having $10 on Sonntag. :hihi

DumbO Brien done for a fourth time on cobalt...on a sprinter. What a clown.

Bullpit can't usually get 955m, stc. I was on that night so I'm grateful.

Does anyone think a guilty verdict would somehow put a bit of a cloud over Black Caviar's career? Hope all's sorted out and no wrong doing was done.

If she was on it they all were, rosy. And that won't just be in Australia.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Certainly looks that way ATM, L2. Luckily Lees has been potting his prospects in the two Autumn runs so far so I've stayed off. (Not that you'd touch the horse fresh anyway.) Lees has said the horse is aimed at the Tancred.

But the thing I may be reading between the line is that he doesn't think much of what he's seen so far. I feel like he could say at any second 'Why do you keep asking me about Protectionist? it can't sweat.'

In the Herbert Power, the St George and the Australian Cup Protectionist couldn't sweat.

My thinking is that if Wohler had trained Protectionist to win the 2015 Australian Cup it would have sat behind Extra Zero and won the race be three an a harf.

I'll be interested to see how he goes in the Tancred, L2, but unless I can get a price and can see a tempo I won't be on.

Yeah he might still come good at 2400. Doesn't seem to get warm below that.

 

[tigerman]

Great days racing at Randwick today with 4 group ones, it's a shame they're on a heavy track.
I'm all up win and place on Arabian Gold in the Doncaster, and Abduction in the last.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Red Cadeaux now switching to the Queen Elizabeth after being aimed at the Sydney Cup. Stable citing track conditions as the reason, but suspect they're less than awestruck by our current WFA stocks. $$$$$. Would still take a great effort to finish in the placings.

 

[scottyturnerscurse]

OK debut by Not a Single Doubt filly Denmark today, part-owned by Cotch, Ellis, Riewoldt, Vlastuin and, it seems, Morris. Beaten by a very promising Darley 2yo colt.