Thoroughbred racing

[Ready]

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Gold and Black would be the other, second to Van Der Hum in 1976.

I was looking at a photo of that race recently. Went to a client's house recently and he has racing photos on the wall. You know the ones, photo of crossing the line near the winning post, race club, times and margins, placegetters and so on.

First up is something that won at Corowa. Then another at Jerilderie. Third in line is Van Der Hum, Flemington, 1976. Turns out his uncle owned it. A 20-minute visit turned into 90 with tea, biscuits and the whole works as he told me all about it. :fing32

 

[ARCHYBOY]

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Apologies to all, especially Ready, meant to say 4 horses have done it in the last 50 odd years, there is one more and it's the most recent. :-\

 

[tigersnake]

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Gold and Black would be the other, second to Van Der Hum in 1976.

I was looking at a photo of that race recently. Went to a client's house recently and he has racing photos on the wall. You know the ones, photo of crossing the line near the winning post, race club, times and margins, placegetters and so on.

First up is something that won at Corowa. Then another at Jerilderie. Third in line is Van Der Hum, Flemington, 1976. Turns out his uncle owned it. A 20-minute visit turned into 90 with tea, biscuits and the whole works as he told me all about it. :fing32

great stuff ready. ( I had a similar experience a few years ago when I bought a pool table off an old lady out of the paper, she had a silver logie on her mantle, and I asked her about it, she was Miss TV Personality 1958, she got out her scrapbook, made tea, a stunner back then and still very classy)

Can't decide tomorrow. Normally go CC form and Internat 2 mile form, so Dandino, without much confidence.

 

[Browndog]

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Voleuse De Coeurs

 

[tigerman]

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Fiorente is drawn well and if he jumps ok is the horse to beat.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

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The Melbourne Cup is all about good local stories - Subzero, Rogan Josh, the Diva. Who gives a stuff about horses like Dunaden, Delta Blues and Americain? The winners just run off with their loot. At least the likes Lloyd, OTI and Moroney give something back to the local industry.

Our prizemoney is unbelievably tasty. The Irish St.Leger - a Group 1 race - is worth the equivalent of ~$230K. We have Group 2's and even Group 3's worth more than that.

After burning the midnight oil, I've concluded this year's edition of the Cup is lacking at the top end but makes up for it with depth. It's hard to put a line through too many and say they can't figure in the placings. The international stables have changed tack and attempted to beat the handicapper rather than bringing out their silk.

Fiorente and Sea Moon are at the top of my list. Fiorente ticks all the boxes, which is reason in itself to be wary! Sea Moon hasn't yet raced over two miles, but his pedigree says he'll be there at the business end. Building nicely to peak in this.

Others:
Dandino - consistent and high-class, but doesn't win out of turn. Should be ridden behind the speed and given every chance.
Fawkner - form on paper is just right for this, but many interpreted his Caulfield Cup win as indicating that he wants no further. Can't rule out.
Hawkspur - breeding says he can't get the trip, though his damsire Catbird did throw a Perth Cup winner despite being a sprint sire. He's the weight horse of the race...get the distance and he's in it up to his eyeballs. Bogey 18 barrier.
Foreteller - another whose best form would see him in the finish. Some doubt about the distance, but going so well I can't write him off.
Verema - another one I like at the weights. No Australian runs is a significant black mark against, however.
Royal Empire & Masked Marvel - found these two hard to get a line on. Knowledgeable people fancy them, so am leaving them among the chances.
Dear Demi - really wanted to like her, being out of a Zabeel mare. Something doesn't sit right about her preparation - 14 runs in the last year including autumn & winter campaigns. She'll need to be an iron horse to win and is drawn awkwardly. Will be under the odds.
Mount Athos - mixing his form and drawn out by the pie stand. Repeat of last year's run may see him in the finish, but he's a borderline 'chance' and I can take or leave him

Think at this stage I'll make Sea Moon my main bet at the odds and play around with a trifecta with it and Fiorente to win.

 

[tigergollywog]

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Who gives a stuff about horses like Dunaden, Delta Blues and Americain? The winners just run off with their loot. At least the likes Lloyd, OTI and Moroney give something back to the local industry.

Ive got a soft spot for Dunaden. he helped me empty all the tills at the Rose Bay pub tab (didnt that feel good?). Luca Cumanni left his daughter for us ;D.

 

[tigergollywog]

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Im gonna warm up my cup morning with a go at the trifecta

1. Dandino
2. Foreteller (a sire quinella I think?)
3. Ethiopia

 

[Ready]

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Foreteller, 1. Simenon, 2. Fiorente, 3. Ruscello, 4.

 

[RemoteTiger]

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The profiles I developed only pick two horses this year -

10 Faulkner
13 Super Cool

Very open race this year where one can make a case for nearly all runners - good luck and good punting........cheers RT

 

[smasha]

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Put an each way bet on Brown Panther (in ode to Shambe' my recently deceased Oriental cat who looked half Tiger, half panther. :'()

 

[Tony Braxton-Hicks]

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Fiorente breaks my number one rule TBH that you have to win the Cup at your first crack otherwise you can't win it, if you win at you first crack you can back up and win it again, but if you don't win it, best not to try again.

I'm very strong on that rule too, but the race is a bit different now and not many horses have held their form the following year and almost won a Cox Plate. The weight scale is much more compressed these days so Fiorente gets in well this year. IN days gone by he would have given Ibicenco quite a bit more than 2 kg.

 

[This Is Anfield]

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To probably confirm I have no idea:

1. Verema
2. Dear Demi
3. Mt Athos
4. Brown Panther

 

[tigerman]

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Fiorente is drawn well and if he jumps ok is the horse to beat.

What a champion horse Fiorente is, if he drew a good barrier in the Cox Plate he wins that with a leg in the air.
Get on him in the Australia Cup next year.

 

[Rosy]

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Very sad for Verema.

 

[tigergollywog]

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Was it just me who was irritated by seeing a crooked ex-bookie, a current spiv bookie (whinging about not being allowed to win a million on mummys horse) a crooked jockey and gai (make of her what you will) grinning like cheshire cats? It was spun as brave aussies overcoming adversity, but it seemed like a bunch of cheats laughing all the way to the bank to me. Maybe i'd have been cheering too if I'd backed fiorente, but as it stood, I was a bit annoyed at racing. anyone else?

It's also interesting how predictable (reflected in the price of the winning horse over the last 20 years or so) The Cup seems to have become. Veiwed is the only horse over 20-1 to have won in the last 20 years and 40% of winners in the last 2 decades have been single figures. :don't know

Yeah, poor Verema. helluva way to go. It was clear shed busted a leg on the live coverage and I was disappointed greg miles made no reference to it during or immediately after the race. I spent the remainder of the race distracted, trying to work out who wasnt being called.

 

[Rosy]

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Was it just me who was irritated by seeing a crooked ex-bookie, a current spiv bookie (whinging about not being allowed to win a million on mummys horse) a crooked jockey and gai (make of her what you will) grinning like cheshire cats? It was spun as brave aussies overcoming adversity, but it seemed like a bunch of cheats laughing all the way to the bank to me. Maybe i'd have been cheering too if I'd backed fiorente, but as it stood, I was a bit annoyed at racing. anyone else?

It's also interesting how predictable (reflected in the price of the winning horse over the last 20 years or so) The Cup seems to have become. Veiwed is the only horse over 20-1 to have won in the last 20 years and 40% of winners in the last 2 decades have been single figures. :don't know

Yeah, poor Verema. helluva way to go. It was clear shed busted a leg on the live coverage and I was disappointed greg miles made no reference to it during or immediately after the race. I spent the remainder of the race distracted, trying to work out who wasnt being called.

I like Gai and think she's great for racing. Couldn't care less about Tom's bets. Reckon he cops tall poppy syndrome bigtime. Fair enough when he puts himself out there like he does. Rob who? Not so sure about Oliver. He rode a good race in the Cup. No doubt even though he was a rarity who was caught and given a lot of high profile media attention he wouldn't be alone in his recent transgression. Still haven't heard the biggest story in Australia's history involving Damien that Leysy referred to. Plenty of claims and innuendo floating around but no evidence of fact.

Racing, whether involving gallopers, harness or dogs is a very crooked industry. I love seeing seemingly genuine battlers from the bush do well but there are probably negative skeletons in their closets too.

I was surprised the 2 horses who'd been treated, against the rules, on game day were allowed to run yet the connections will still have to front a steward enquirey. Amazing that no treatment is allowed on the day but there is a clause to overlook it when it occurs.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

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Was it just me who was irritated by seeing a crooked ex-bookie, a current spiv bookie (whinging about not being allowed to win a million on mummys horse) a crooked jockey and gai (make of her what you will) grinning like cheshire cats? It was spun as brave aussies overcoming adversity, but it seemed like a bunch of cheats laughing all the way to the bank to me. Maybe i'd have been cheering too if I'd backed fiorente, but as it stood, I was a bit annoyed at racing. anyone else?

I'd expected Fiorente to start shorter, and these might be the reasons why it didn't.

Yeah, poor Verema. helluva way to go. It was clear shed busted a leg on the live coverage and I was disappointed greg miles made no reference to it during or immediately after the race. I spent the remainder of the race distracted, trying to work out who wasnt being called.

Spent the next 30 seconds scanning the form guide to work out who it was and thought it must've been Ethiopia. Spoiled the call for mine.

 

[Rosy]

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I'd expected Fiorente to start shorter, and these might be the reasons why it didn't.

I'd be very suprised if that was the case. Serious punters will take the money wherever they can get it. If they thought Fiorente would win they'd back him. I doubt casual, once a year punters would be aware of, let alone protest against, the family/jockey history.

There are a lot of unknowns involved especially with the influx of international horses. I don't think it's as predictabale as gollywog does. I think in the last 15 or so years or so, not including this year, the favourite had only won twice (both times Makaybe Diva).

Agree about Verema not being mentioned in the call or even after it. It was like if we don't mention it it might go away. It left many people wondering and quite upset.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

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I'd be very suprised if that was the case. Serious punters will take the money wherever they can get it. If they thought Fiorente would win they'd back him. I doubt casual, once a year punters would be aware of, let alone protest against, the family/jockey history.

There are a lot of unknowns involved especially with the influx of international horses. I don't think it's as predictabale as gollywog does. I think in the last 15 or so years or so, not including this year, the favourite had only won twice (both times Makaybe Diva).

Agree about Verema not being mentioned in the call or even after it. It was like if we don't mention it it might go away. It left many people wondering and quite upset.

Thought Fiorente was a $5-$5.50 chance. Didn't seem to capture the imagination of the rank and file like its form suggested it should've.

There were plenty of false favourites before people twigged that the internationals need to have a start in Australia beforehand. Since Vintage Crop in 1993, 71 horses have tried to win this way and all have failed. Vintage Crop's looking more and more like a freakish aberration as the years pass.