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rosy23 said:
I suspect vegans would be a massive minority when it comes to wanting jumps racing banned or made safer. If jumps are banned I wouldn't mark it down to vegans being successful in their bid.

Agree, but they are a vocal part who have been supporting the current RSPCA campaign. Most call ups to the radio and comments to news articles are part of a coordinated campaign currently underway on social media.

Green issues started a similar way, vocal minority who bashed away to get media onside, and then the media did the job with the public.
 
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Jason Richardson on SEN the other day said that the TAB and the racing fraternity weren't that worried about the jumps because the revenue from jumps racing was so low.
Apparently, the cost of defending the jumps wouldn't match the amount they make from it so that is why the racing industry is a lot more quiet than the nay sayers.


Again an interesting debate where money plays an important role........
 
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Tiger74 said:
Agree, but they are a vocal part who have been supporting the current RSPCA campaign. Most call ups to the radio and comments to news articles are part of a coordinated campaign currently underway on social media.

They specifically identify themselves as vegans?
 
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No, but they usually give themselves away by using the common phrases the groups promote. Sometimes radio jouros pick up on it. For this debate, the main give away is when they refer to genocide or slavery, as these are big themes in the abolitionist movement.

Getup used similar tactics in previous elections, and the libs too.
 
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Hi Bringbakflemmo.... Yes The same Tictacs, we are hoping he will do well for Jokic.(original owner/trainer) He was in in the last yesterday at Wangaratta, and this race was abandonded due to the state of the track!! Hope he has turned the corner and will be watching out for him again soon. Too good a horse and hope he will come back.
 
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Leysy Days said:
Intriguing race eh Gyps. Could make a case for and against every runner.

Pinwheel for leysy. Looks well in at the weights & honest as the day is long. Toorak Toff wouldnt suprise if it brained em.

Oh no......... :rofl
 
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tigertim said:
Oh no......... :rofl

Know your on a good thing when E/W wins need to be laughed at by the stalkers monkeys in the crowd.
 
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Leysy Days said:
Know your on a good thing when E/W wins need to be laughed at by the stalkers monkeys in the crowd.

Each way was it? sorry didn't see that in your original post ::)
 
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jb03 said:
Is that any different from other animals - chickens, cows, pigs etc?

Not that I condone battery farming at all but I think breeding for food is different to breeding for entertainment.

I'm torn by the situation myself. I loved racing for a long time but cruelty to animals breaks my heart more than almost anything. It's a shame owners can't be forced to ensure their horses are allowed to live full lives in a healthy environment. If you have the spare cash to buy a racehorse you should be forced to consider their entire lives as other pet owners are required.
 
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Disco08 said:
Not that I condone battery farming at all but I think breeding for food is different to breeding for entertainment.

I'm torn by the situation myself. I loved racing for a long time but cruelty to animals breaks my heart more than almost anything. It's a shame owners can't be forced to ensure their horses are allowed to live full lives in a healthy environment. If you have the spare cash to buy a racehorse you should be forced to consider their entire lives as other pet owners are required.

That wouldn't be possible with the rank and file onwers. I've had a share in a couple and once they finish racing you really don't want to be "investing' anymore in them unfortunately.
 
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Jumps racing, the debate is about a central question. What is the difference between symbolism and tokenism?

IMO the horse is a symbol of nobility. So when a horse is running about on a race track, one leg shattered, but still trying to compete, it is not pathetic but ignoble. We have the transformation we are most afraid of - the glorious to the ignoble. It is a most unwelcome reminder that we are born beautiful and die ugly.

As has been pointed out, a racehorse lives a grand life. Unless it's slow. Then it's canned. Knackered. But for the jumps. I sometimes make the joke that it takes four carnies to hold down a jumps jockey. Jumpers are pretty tough.

Jumping horses are failures. So when a failure keeps on competing do we relate? Oh yeah. And then when one dies how do we feel? Not good. If we see it.

Better that the horse is slaughtered at the knackery and we never see it. (Did I forget Tokenism?)

The gender revolution had many positive consequences. But some were not good. (This is a complex matter that I'm wrestling with atm.) What I think happened is that the women, newly powerful, tried to cut the balls off the world.

And then a bunch of Frenchmen joined them. Fags.

Well, that's all over.

The world, dominated by men as it is, takes risks. Just for the sake of the risk sometimes. (Oh, we know that women pay the price but we're talking about jumps racing here. Symbolism?)

We live close to the pinnacle of an epoch, members of the privileged class. We can never be gods. But we can walk outside the palace walls and become saints. That's where the horses, that won't become meat, break legs striving. And become meat.

Jumps racing is about the glory of endeavour. And the ignominy of our inevitable failure.

Why don't we ban it? While we chomp battery turkey sandwiches. And deny our guilt for the humans who don't do as well as jumps horses while we prosper.
 
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jb03 said:
That wouldn't be possible with the rank and file onwers. I've had a share in a couple and once they finish racing you really don't want to be "investing' anymore in them unfortunately.

If you can't afford it, you can't afford it. Dog owners aren't allowed to just kill their dog once they no longer want it. Why shouldn't that apply equally to horse owners?
 
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Tiger74 said:
No, but they usually give themselves away by using the common phrases the groups promote. Sometimes radio jouros pick up on it. For this debate, the main give away is when they refer to genocide or slavery, as these are big themes in the abolitionist movement.

Getup used similar tactics in previous elections, and the libs too.

Out of interest what common phrases distinguish vegans from vegetarians in the context of this discussion and the phrases to groups promote? Or have vegans only been brought into it as a condescending token cover up of an inablilty to debate the topic rationally?
 
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As posted before, key words like genocide and slavery tend to get used.

Also as mentoned at the start, its the abolitionist movement, which is a subset of vegans. Most vegans and vegetarians are not politically active.

In terms of impact, the resent egg farm protest at Somerville and campaign to stop the killing of mail calves by dairy farms were all run by abolitionists, and all garnered mass media attention. They may be small in number, but their media management is improving
 
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Back to the track and Fabulist is in at Sandown tomorrow, race 3 no 1. Over 1600m, with 58.5kgs is a big ask. She has drawn 8 in a field of 11 but the weather is predicted to get ugly so not sure what will eventuate. She should be fitter for her last run and this will probably be her last run before a break so fingers crossed she goes well - definitely an each way bet but lots of ifs (as per usual)

Go Tigers
 
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Disco08 said:
If you can't afford it, you can't afford it. Dog owners aren't allowed to just kill their dog once they no longer want it. Why shouldn't that apply equally to horse owners?
No they are not but dog "owners" will often just abandon the dog - either at a shelter or effectively in the wild or public so it is effectively the same thing as killing it. A lot of dogs get put down as well. IN fact, perhaps the argument is similar - is it better to put down an unwanted dog rather than let it spend its life in a cage at the RSPCA shelters?

Dyer'ere said:
Jumps racing, the debate is about a central question. What is the difference between symbolism and tokenism?

IMO the horse is a symbol of nobility. So when a horse is running about on a race track, one leg shattered, but still trying to compete, it is not pathetic but ignoble. We have the transformation we are most afraid of - the glorious to the ignoble. It is a most unwelcome reminder that we are born beautiful and die ugly.

As has been pointed out, a racehorse lives a grand life. Unless it's slow. Then it's canned. Knackered. But for the jumps. I sometimes make the joke that it takes four carnies to hold down a jumps jockey. Jumpers are pretty tough.

Jumping horses are failures. So when a failure keeps on competing do we relate? Oh yeah. And then when one dies how do we feel? Not good. If we see it.

Better that the horse is slaughtered at the knackery and we never see it. (Did I forget Tokenism?)

The gender revolution had many positive consequences. But some were not good. (This is a complex matter that I'm wrestling with atm.) What I think happened is that the women, newly powerful, tried to cut the balls off the world.

And then a bunch of Frenchmen joined them. Fags.

Well, that's all over.

The world, dominated by men as it is, takes risks. Just for the sake of the risk sometimes. (Oh, we know that women pay the price but we're talking about jumps racing here. Symbolism?)

We live close to the pinnacle of an epoch, members of the privileged class. We can never be gods. But we can walk outside the palace walls and become saints. That's where the horses, that won't become meat, break legs striving. And become meat.

Jumps racing is about the glory of endeavour. And the ignominy of our inevitable failure.

Why don't we ban it? While we chomp battery turkey sandwiches. And deny our guilt for the humans who don't do as well as jumps horses while we prosper.
I have no idea whether you are for or against jumps racing!?
 
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Tiger44 said:
Back to the track and Fabulist is in at Sandown tomorrow, race 3 no 1. Over 1600m, with 58.5kgs is a big ask. She has drawn 8 in a field of 11 but the weather is predicted to get ugly so not sure what will eventuate. She should be fitter for her last run and this will probably be her last run before a break so fingers crossed she goes well - definitely an each way bet but lots of ifs (as per usual)

Go Tigers

Good luck T44

Both with Fabulist and getting this thread back on the track
 
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Tiger74 said:
My money of on them succeeding in their bid to ban jumps, and then moving to ban flats on the basis that the breeding and slaughter program that sustains the industry is inhumane.  Don't think they will succeed, but this could get very messy for the horse racing industry.

Fortunately there aren't many fallers on the flat, nor Sky Channel cameras at the abbatoir. And trackwork's all over before the unemployed are out of bed.
 
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LeeToRainesToRoach said:
Fortunately there aren't many fallers on the flat, nor Sky Channel cameras at the abbatoir. And trackwork's all over before the unemployed are out of bed.
:rofl like the last line

Seriously though, I think the impact will be from what jb and disco are discussing, the sending of noncompetitive horses to the knackery. Although I like jumps, I think it's days are numbered, so the impact for it will not be too long IMO. If it becomes harder to offload horses though, it will have an impact on the general industry.

Unfortunately some are putting the message out there that the knackery is a lazy options, and non racing options could be found if owners/trainers could be bothered. Unfortunately my understanding is this isn't quite right, because (from what I've been told) the market for ex racing horses is small (even if you effectively give them away), and many horses due to temperament are nit suitable for younger riders (which restricts placement options further).

I hope they work out a viable option, because while no one likes the idea of horses being sent to their death, I think some are seriously downplaying how hard it is to find horses a life after racing.
 
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Streak said:
Good luck T44

Both with Fabulist and getting this thread back on the track

Indeed good luck with Fabulist T44.  Fingers crossed for a change of luck.

I don't think the thread is off track Streaker.  I offered to create a separate Racing board so we could have threads for different related discussions.  The overall preference was to keep racing talk on the one thread.  Therefore if people wish to discuss jumps racing this is the relevant thread.  I can split the discussion if the majority desire it though.
 
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