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The Pros and Cons of Tanking (Merged)

Whats more important late season Wins or Early Draft pics?

  • Draft pics (inc priority pic)

    Votes: 98 56.6%
  • Late Season Wins

    Votes: 75 43.4%

  • Total voters
    173
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Given we are looking at another season like this in 2010, the NM and Melb matches are going to come back and haunt us for a long time.
 
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DragicevicFan said:
Given we are looking at another season like this in 2010, the NM and Melb matches are going to come back and haunt us for a long time.
C'mon Dragicevicfan......Remember, it is the winning mentality at all times!!! ::)
 
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when we are sitting about 3-16 this time next year and still wont be getting a first round priority that we desperately need, i'm sure we'll all look back fondly on the crap win against a tanking melbourne and that insipid draw against the roos.
 
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DragicevicFan said:
Given we are looking at another season like this in 2010, the NM and Melb matches are going to come back and haunt us for a long time.

Yeah that extra second round pick would have meant the difference between a premiership or not. ::)
 
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IanG said:
Yeah that extra second round pick would have meant the difference between a premiership or not. ::)

Any pick in the top 20 must be some help to our current situation, even more so with GC17 & WS18.
 
Re: To win or not to win - Draft pics V late season wins

strachanie19 said:
Pick 3 baby...it's looking good now!!!

yep i said that a week or so ago that pic 3 or 4 was on the cards but a lot of panic merchants on here thought we were headed for pic 6 or 7 cause we beat ess & dees, u just had to see that in the coming weeks we have swans, coll and hawks which if we're being honest we would lose em all...

And the fixture for either melb, freo, WC and North you would expect wins from some of these teams thus jumping over us on the ladder....

Now next week Melb V Freo, need Freo to win which will take them to 24 pts and jump over richmond who are on 22pts...We would then be 2nd last and pic 3 could be set for us in the ND (Trengove or Morabito), Melb will definitely get pics 1 and 2 thats a given...Scully and Trengove or Scully and Butcher are more than likely the combinations that Melb will go for...Pic 3 will still land us a Gun!

WC V North at subi doesnt really matter who wins but being at Subi more than likely it'll be WC, think it'll be close anyway...
And the tiges V pies say, no more!


LADDER RD 19


12 West Coast Eagles 24pts 89.94%

13 North Melbourne Kangaroos 22pts 82.80%

14 Richmond Tigers 22pts 79.81%

15 Fremantle Dockers 20pts 76.27

16 Melbourne Demons 12pts 72.47%
 
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AstuteTiger said:
well 1 down and 3 to go, North no longer can receive a priority pick at the start of the 2nd round...
Now all we need is Freo, WC and Melbourne to win some games and whollah! no PP's for them too...

A blockbuster month of matches below not to be missed....

RD17 Freo V WC
RD 18 Rich V Melb
RD 19 North V Melb
Rd 20 Melb V Freo and WC V North
RD 22 - Rich V WC

4 down and 1 to go, well no PP's for as we know WC of last weeks win over ess and today Freo over Port which has them on 20pts, that leaves Melb and they aint going to blow this oppurtunity, so lets pencil in Melb for pics 1 and 2...

Tiges look set for pic 3, but we need Freo to beat Melb next week if they dont we're more than likely to get pic 4 but the way Freo played today and the way Melb played today id dare say Freo are more likely to win....
 
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Danog said:
*smile*ing McMahon *smile*ed us over again. Why couldn't you miss that shot after the siren?

danog thems the breaks....But perhaps we'll still go under freo, as stated in my above post if freo beat melb next week they'll go above us...
 
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frawleyudud said:
Nah stuff it, who needs Scully or extra quality picks in the draft. Lets finish 9th!!

dud why do u keep mentioning Scully did u really think we would get him? luv to have him my word! but with melb having pics 1 and 2 we were never a real chance, even if we finished last melb would have pic 1 (priority pic) and i say that had melb beaten us last week, so no way they would give up pic 1 or 2 or 1 or 3 if we were last and then they beating freo next week to throw away their PP, wouldnt happen....Now on us we're more than likely to get pic 3 (need freo to beat melb next week to jump over us)...If that happens we are more than likely to finish 15, with losses expected in the next 2 weeks to pies and hawks...Not sure how u could come up with "lets finish 9th" again did u really believe that...

pics 3 and 18 would be on the cards
 
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the claw said:
correct and yes ive stated wce should have gone after picks 2 and 4. its what i would have done.

imo they will turn over a lot of players this yr. fletcher wirrapanda hunter because of injury. staker, hansen, seaby, jones mcnamarra stenglein maybe waters wilkes. at least 8 will go better to do this with picks 2 4 20 36 52 than picks 7 24 42 58 64.

the latter was on target until 2 weeks ago.

in saying all this early in the season they lost 3 or 4 games they should have won if this had happened they would be in the mix well and truly for finals. the difference between them and us is they will be a genuine finals contender next yr where as we will still be wallowing near the bottom of the ladder. in a way they could afford to miss a pp we cant.


you are outright lying


you were absoloutely adamant that west coast were tanking


do we really need to trawl your post history to get you to admit the truth?


how did west coast stuff up their tank?
 
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AstuteTiger said:
dud why do u keep mentioning Scully did u really think we would get him? luv to have him my word! but with melb having pics 1 and 2 we were never a real chance, even if we finished last melb would have pic 1 (priority pic) and i say that had melb beaten us last week, so no way they would give up pic 1 or 2 or 1 or 3 if we were last and then they beating freo next week to throw away their PP, wouldnt happen....Now on us we're more than likely to get pic 3 (need freo to beat melb next week to jump over us)...If that happens we are more than likely to finish 15, with losses expected in the next 2 weeks to pies and hawks...Not sure how u could come up with "lets finish 9th" again did u really believe that...

pics 3 and 18 would be on the cards
I think if we lost all our games and allowed Melbourne to beat us we were in with a great chance to get Scully. I honestly believe Freo would have rolled over to ensure Melbourne miss out on a priority pick and thus landing us 16th spot and first pick. Regardless of whether we would have got Scully or not, we have basically given Melbourne the 2 best kids in the land with picks 1 + 2!!!! If we had finished last at least we may not have gotten Scully but the very next best kid available. Add to that another pick inside top 20, and maybe some smart trading to get another early 2nd rounder or very late 1st rounder and all of a sudden we have a chance to make some significant changes to our dreadful list!! That is my point and frustration with what the RFC has dished up to us this year.
 
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the claw said:
in saying all this early in the season they lost 3 or 4 games they should have won if this had happened they would be in the mix well and truly for finals. the difference between them and us is they will be a genuine finals contender next yr where as we will still be wallowing near the bottom of the ladder. in a way they could afford to miss a pp we cant.

That is such a dumb thing to say.

If West Coast had won three or four games that they should’ve won earlier in the season they would be sitting in the eight, so would Richmond, so would Freo, so would anyone except Melbourne.

They would all take that in a heartbeat too. So what is your point? Both Richmond and West Coast have put themselves in no man’s land by winning too many games and not enough games at the same time. So have Freo and North. In Richmond’s case, the only thing I bemoan is that they have not won enough games. Are you suggesting that West Coast have won their six games in a stylish way and Richmond have won their five and a half in a haphazard way and that is a significant difference?

What’s your view on Sydney? They shy away from playing kids until they are 21-22 and have completed the development phase of their careers, they are still giving games to old farts like Crouch, O’Loughlin, Kirk and Jude Bolton and are making a mad dash for eighth, which will most likely end up as ninth because they have left it too late. They have recruited a 25 year old ruckman and will probably try to bring Kennelly back for next year. They are just as likely to trade at least two of their first five picks for recycled players in the off-season. They have employed similar strategies for years. These strategies seem to work OK for them and have yielded a flag and several consecutive finals appearances.

If Richmond were doing any of these things there would be a meltdown on PRE. The sad thing is, many of these things are exactly what Richmond should be doing. Essentially, when someone finally gets a game for Sydney, it is because he is a man and he is expected to play like one. No excuses, no allowances for youth or potential or what that player may one day become. He is playing because he deserves to be and keep playing as long as he is good enough. He is expected to contribute to a winning culture, he is not there to rack up games for when the gun Pick Ones join the team in three years time to commence a planned run up the ladder.

That is what real culture is, and this culture compensates for the fact that Kirk and Pyke can't kick, or that Craig Bolton is too short to play Full-back, LRT is a Dud, Jude Bolton is too slow, Crouch is too old, O'Loughlin is past it, Rhys Shaw and MAttner are rejects and whatever else they have which would spark that meltdown if they were Richmond players.

Playing kids is fine but it means you go into the majority of your games with immature footballers, both mentally and physically and they will get pantsed by mature teams like Sydney every day of the week. Was anyone really expecting Vickery and Graham to be competive against Jolly? Or Post against Goodes? Maybe in five years time but not now, Sunshine.

For the record, I think that Rawlings was spot-on with his comments about culture. That is why hanging on to Cousins is imperative for next year. Our poor culture is due to poor leadership, over a very long time. In my view, it is more important to fix this than to chase a couple of gun 18 year olds. This club needs men, real men, not kids.
 
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Its an amazing argument this. totally get what both sides are saying however, there would not be a player that go's out on the ground not wanting to win and thats where the floor is players are either not good enough to win or they win because they are.......Coaches on the other hand can pick an choose there team. however do we really think Bailey will have his job still at this time next year if he is giving the same results. Yes I do believe tanking exsists, just think its very hard to control when you have 22 competitive beasts trying to win.
 
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frawleyudud said:
we have basically given Melbourne the 2 best kids in the land with picks 1 + 2!!!!
2 best kids in the land.Thats a huge statement.
Daniel Rich says hello along with Buddy,Joel Selwood,Chris Judd.
 
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CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:
2 best kids in the land.Thats a huge statement.
Daniel Rich says hello along with Buddy,Joel Selwood,Chris Judd.

you having some sought of Party ,Newy2Mitch ?
 
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frawleyudud said:
I think if we lost all our games and allowed Melbourne to beat us we were in with a great chance to get Scully. I honestly believe Freo would have rolled over to ensure Melbourne miss out on a priority pick and thus landing us 16th spot and first pick. Regardless of whether we would have got Scully or not, we have basically given Melbourne the 2 best kids in the land with picks 1 + 2!!!! If we had finished last at least we may not have gotten Scully but the very next best kid available. Add to that another pick inside top 20, and maybe some smart trading to get another early 2nd rounder or very late 1st rounder and all of a sudden we have a chance to make some significant changes to our dreadful list!! That is my point and frustration with what the RFC has dished up to us this year.

So u think freo would roll over i think the opposite melb would roll over in a heart beat and so they should cause whats on offer...Also not sure why freo would roll over as they’re now on 20 pts and PP i get ur point though loss and stuff melb up but melb wouldn’t let that happen to much on offer and Melb as we all know has a chance to get pics 1 and 2, it wont happen full stop!

Yep they’ll get 2 of the best 4 but if Richmond get pic 3 ill be over the moon cause trengove or Morabito would be at punt road, both midfield types, i think melb will go scully and butcher who is a tall to compliment jack watts or they could go 2 mids scully and trengove, nonetheless Richmond would still pic up a young gun mid in Morabito..

The only things i agree here with ya is i would’ve loved a PP at the start of the 2nd round but hey whats done is done...
As mentioned if freo beat melb next week which is more than likely we’ll be 2nd last and still have pics 3 and 18 in our sights, cant argue with that, pic 2 or 3 is in all honesty much of a muchness in this coming draft...Top 4 at present are scully, butcher, trengove and morabito

Also we need to trade into some pics if possible even 1 or 2 might be hard but it aint impossible...
 
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AstuteTiger said:
So u think freo would roll over i think the opposite melb would roll over in a heart beat and so they should cause whats on offer...Also not sure why freo would roll over as they’re now on 20 pts and PP i get ur point though loss and stuff melb up but melb wouldn’t let that happen to much on offer and Melb as we all know has a chance to get pics 1 and 2, it wont happen full stop!

Yep they’ll get 2 of the best 4 but if Richmond get pic 3 ill be over the moon cause trengove or Morabito would be at punt road, both midfield types, i think melb will go scully and butcher who is a tall to compliment jack watts or they could go 2 mids scully and trengove, nonetheless Richmond would still pic up a young gun mid in Morabito..

The only things i agree here with ya is i would’ve loved a PP at the start of the 2nd round but hey whats done is done...
As mentioned if freo beat melb next week which is more than likely we’ll be 2nd last and still have pics 3 and 18 in our sights, cant argue with that, pic 2 or 3 is in all honesty much of a muchness in this coming draft...Top 4 at present are scully, butcher, trengove and morabito

Also we need to trade into some pics if possible even 1 or 2 might be hard but it aint impossible...

Deledio???? should get us a top ten pick
 
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daoula said:
Deledio???? should get us a top ten pick
why stop there, add Cotchin and we probably would get a top 10, who will take 2 - 3 years to get where lids or chimp wouldbe and then we can trade that person again for another top 10. A beautiful plan!!
 
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Why do I get a feeling of dread when I hear that we might be in line for the number 3 pick...I'm getting flashbacks to Fiora over Pavlich...

Surely history won't repeat itself.
 
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WesternTiger said:
I am a pro tanker but that is a stupid comment. It has even been 12 months since Rich slipped to 7th. To say it will never happen again makes you the fool.
There is a slider every year, based on what people guess will happen.

Wood, Rance, Sellar, Rich.

LIke the top 8. Every year a team slips out and another gets in.