The Geelong Cants

[St Kevin]

I do agree on that. Tho i'd say the great teams don't celebrate it & the mediocre ones do & often don't achieve much more than it.

I think it’s possible to celebrate it, while still acknowledging that it wasn’t the ending to the season that was wanted. Which I thought was done very well by several people at the club.

 

[jimbob]

I tend to use the reverse tactic in this sort of situation - and it’s just to agree with them.
Let them blather on about their “gun” players and just nod your head and add nothing.
They’re expecting counter arguments - don’t give them the satisfaction.
They are *smile* deluded.
Let ‘em stay that way.

That’s much more fun…and then as you turn away, you do so with a smirk on your face. Drives them nuts.

 

[TT33]

What has really annoyed me is the whinging about having to play us at the "G", when for years & years on end we had to play them at their narrow gutted "stadium" when clubs like Carltun, Essadun, Collunwud etc hadn't played there for decades.

 

[Stylo]

both successful and unsuccessful depending how you look at it.... Schrodinger's Cats

 

[RoarEmotion]

both successful and unsuccessful depending how you look at it.... Schrodinger's Cats

There is no metaverse where dusty doesn’t tear them a new one.

The cat is dead every time.

 

[Little Ziggyadee]

What has really annoyed me is the whinging about having to play us at the "G", when for years & years on end we had to play them at their narrow gutted "stadium" when clubs like Carltun, Essadun, Collunwud etc hadn't played there for decades.

And even when they played us at the G or Telstra Dome it was there bye.
Wasnt there highest score against us under Wallace??
Short memories

 

[Little Ziggyadee]

Geelong are putting millions into that dug hole to make the AFL play games in September down there.
By the time they finish building the shiit joint Scott would've have finally destroyed that list. Similiar to what his brother did at North. Set them back 20 yrs

 

[Foxtrot]

Definitely some scars from one.

Three is a bit subjective. Nobody likes Dangerfield but I reckon if you asked a lot of neutral opposition supporters they would say Jack Riewoldt is a pretty similar character. A lot of Richmond punters would say Selwood is a stager, a lot of other would say Grimes is. A lot of Richmond punters say Hocking and the AFL give them advantages, a lot of others say Richmond is the AFL's love child. Equally both sides would vehemently deny the validity of all of those statements.
I think we see what we want to see in clubs and players to suit our own agendas.

As for two, I always find Scott to be an interesting speaker and insightful thinker about the game. I think he's as good a tactical coach as we have seen in the AFL era. Yeah, he speaks confidently, even arrogantly, dismisses foolish questions with disdain and uses the media to boost the confidence of his side but I think that's what we would all hope for and expect from our coaches.

I don't share the faux outrage when he 'disrespects' Richmond. He is gracious when the game is lost but while they are in the fight he scraps. I think it would be much more unusual if he talked about how great and unstoppable we were while the season was still alive, rather than saying we aren't as good as Hawthorn was and questioning the game style rather than praising it.

TBR -I do enjoy your measured pushback against our nuffier instincts but I reckon you are trying too hard to get Chris Scott off the "dissing" charge. I agree he is mostly a considered and interesting speaker but there were numerous instances of him dismissing the Tiges post 2017 that struck me (and most Tiges supporters) as weirdly antagonistic and dare I say "salty". I think he has put that behind him now (and was demonstrably humble in defeat in 2020) but it took us repeatedly beating them in big games to make that happen. It is extremely rare for coaches to talk down/disrespect the opposition - It just doesn't happen much - and he definitely did, which is why he is disliked by Richmond people imo.

I actually do disagree with 3. I don't share the dislike of Danger, Selwood (maybe a tiny bit) etc or the team itself. They are and have been since my childhood a pretty fun team to watch.

 

[shad]

A lot of Richmond punters would say Selwood is a stager, a lot of other would say Grimes is.

And you were going okay up until then.

 

[TT33]

What is interesting is that Benny Gale has often referred to Geelongs consistent appearances in finals as the sort thing we aspire to. Hopefully we have the same number of finals appearances but win far more flags than them.

 

[tigerman]

TBR -I do enjoy your measured pushback against our nuffier instincts but I reckon you are trying too hard to get Chris Scott off the "dissing" charge. I agree he is mostly a considered and interesting speaker but there were numerous instances of him dismissing the Tiges post 2017 that struck me (and most Tiges supporters) as weirdly antagonistic and dare I say "salty". I think he has put that behind him now (and was demonstrably humble in defeat in 2020) but it took us repeatedly beating them in big games to make that happen. It is extremely rare for coaches to talk down/disrespect the opposition - It just doesn't happen much - and he definitely did, which is why he is disliked by Richmond people imo.

Agree Foxtrot

I didn't have any problems with Scott until his ungracious comments about us winning the 2017 GF, and that was 3 weeks after we had been them in the qualifying final.
He'd had time to get over us beating them, everything he said about us was incorrect.

Pride and petulance: Chris Scott's critique of the 2017 Richmond flag

Some of the more attentive footy supporters may be aware of a strange little conversation that occurred on the Monday night following Richmond's awesome…

www.theroar.com.au

 

[RoarEmotion]

Yeah, he speaks confidently, even arrogantly, dismisses foolish questions with disdain and uses the media to boost the confidence of his side but I think that's what we would all hope for and expect from our coaches.

Lacking respect for the opponent or others (disdain) and being ungracious / arrogant I don’t think are characteristics everyone wants in their coach. Confidence / humility and being willing to learns are the healthy emotions / values and not these ones which are destructive IMO. It’s a fine line.

I think many have argued as well that saying they would rather play away from the G doesn’t help the confidence of his group and have likewise said same with hardwick and his comments on Telstra dome. Who will really know - it’s pretty subliminal / marginal.

He seemed to evolve a little this year though. He clearly is part of setting high standards and expectations.

 

[turk-d-tiger]

I think he's as good a tactical coach as we have seen in the AFL era.

Totally disagree with this point

Blind freddy knew what Dusty was capable of doing and Scott had seen it many times in the past against his team but yet allowed martin to do exactly what he has done in the past against them in the 20' GF

Mark Blicavs should have been on Dusty in the foward line and Guthrie tagging him in the middle, He had the half time break to sort the positioning out but was way to insistent to allow the same same to continue.

He also is stubborn and always plays his favourites in their positions even though that never works against certain team but goes with the same strategy every time. Rohan & Miers in particular and dollhouse

Whilst i am happy to agree to disagree i personally believe he is inferior to 50% of the current coaches and has only had the record he has due to a mature playing list and talent he has had at his disposal the last 11 years

 

[Nico]

You can challenge the accusation Shad (as I would), but I don't think you can challenge the notion that it is what a fair chunk of the footy community thinks.

Every second social media comment when he was announced referred to diving.



I think the reaction to what Scott said that night was hyper-sensitive, no more so than in that article.

I've searched in vain to find the video of that night but I did find an article that captures it:

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...s/news-story/998eb924b3f03acf488a38f518ffde83

I think if people really consider what he is saying, the crux of it isn't critical of Richmond's game style but actually quite complimentary.

In 2017 we cracked a code in the game that hadn't been explored before. We were one of the few teams in the history of the game who based a game style on the opposition winning the ball.
We would concede possession to the opposition by allowing them to have extra numbers at stoppages and rely on a combination of our manic pressure, extra numbers in defence and the skill and ability of our defenders to win the ball back in defence and then launch a scoring chain with a flood of numbers charging down the field.
We did things no-one would have previously contemplated, like playing one key forward and rucking with a wingman and it worked largely because of the ability we had to exert enough pressure on the ball to deny the opposition clean use at first possession.

I think the radicalness of what we did in 2017 is hugely underestimated. I once heard a coaching panel have a discussion about whether or not they should consider forcing us to take first possession to deny the opportunity to create the situation we were after. Think about how far a shift that is from the fundamental principles of the game for a moment.

So when Scott talks about Sydney West Coast, he isn't calling our style dour, he is linking the progression of that concede possession game style to the only other two teams in history with that mentality.

Sydney and West Coast in that era didn't want the ball either, but unlike us they didn't want it back on the turnover either. They just took defensive positions at every stoppage and every contest and said we are going to manically pressure so much that we will just smash you every time you touch the ball. Tackle after tackle after tackle, stoppage after stoppage after stoppage until you are stuffed and then we will back our mental and physical strength to allow us to shake you off at the end.

If you extrapolate out the style we played with the logical progression for the opposition, then you can only ever end up at that place. Manic pressure v manic pressure, concede possession v concede possession until you end up with an arm wrestle, which is what Scott is saying when he links to those games.

As Scott says, the AFL hated the Swans/ West Coast era with a passion and have spent every moment since trying to manipulation the game back to a more open, attacking, free flowing version of the game. What he is pointing out is that we have found a tactical method to overcome all of that manipulation and set the game back on a course towards the opposite direction. Not that it is where we are now, but that it is the way it is heading. If suggesting we have beaten the competition at its own game with our tactical nous isn't complementary then I don't know what is.

It's actually a really insightful take on our game style and where it could go next and I think it comes from a position of respecting the coaching method behind it. Not necessarily liking it as a matter of taste in football aesthetics, but respecting it.



If you measure every coach by how Dustin gets hold of them then there isn't too many good ones getting around at the moment.

I too have tried to find vision of AFL360 from that night, but can't find it, but I remember it like yesterday.

First Alan Richardson congratulated the Tigers (fairly normal comment from an oppo coach, particularly after a 37 year drought) and said he was jealous and wished he could be there one day or words to that affect.

Robbo or whoever then turned to Scott and asked for his comment. Scott paused and inhaled while he sat back in his chair and the first words he uttered were "Is that what we want from our game?".

I will never forget or forgive that salty SOB. Not once did he refer to us by name, not once did he congratulate us.

He can GAGF, and I wouldn't p!ss on the pr!ck if he was on fire.

 

[shad]

You can challenge the accusation Shad (as I would), but I don't think you can challenge the notion that it is what a fair chunk of the footy community thinks.

Every second social media comment when he was announced referred to diving.

At the least, nearly all players stage, and I agree Grimes has had his moments-but putting him in the same sentence as Selwood is going too far. Selwood is the leader of a group of players that actively 'cheat' every game. I'm talking about players like Shui and Macrae. Selwood actually developed a technique to milk free kicks which forced a rule change, allbeit poor implemented.

Idiots on social media shitcan opposition players all the time (thankfully PRE is pretty okay in this regard). Please don't use that as a justification to repeat it here though. Cheers.

 

[TigerMasochist]

So Richmond either had a good era from 1916 to 1947 or we failed.

In those 32 years we made the finals 22 times

We made the grand final 15 times winning 5 times

From 1989 to now - 33 years - Geelong has made the finals 24 times

They have made the grand final 9 times winning 3

Mighta been a couple of war periods during that earlier scenario, so how many clubs actually were capable of fielding sides at the time?
Latter era had way more teams in the comp so impossible to honestly or fairly compare eras.

Having said that............................ I reckon 5 flags from 22 seasons of finals appearances might just somehow top 3 flags from 24 seasons of finals appearances. Or at least that's the argument I'll be presenting to a couple of Moggies supporters that I'll be having some deep n meaningful conversations with this weekend.
Hope it doesn't end up getting me sent home early or perhaps even sleeping in the car.

 

[23.21.159]

Agree Foxtrot

I didn't have any problems with Scott until his ungracious comments about us winning the 2017 GF, and that was 3 weeks after we had been them in the qualifying final.
He'd had time to get over us beating them, everything he said about us was incorrect.

Pride and petulance: Chris Scott's critique of the 2017 Richmond flag

Some of the more attentive footy supporters may be aware of a strange little conversation that occurred on the Monday night following Richmond's awesome…

www.theroar.com.au

Interesting article but really it's all nonsense. On any given day, any coach will do what he has to do to maximize the chances of winning given the conditions, the opposition and the players available. And then they will say whatever they can to give as little as possible away after the event.
I liked his usage of the term "quarter final". When I speak to Danish people about AFL finals, I call the Prelims Semis and the Semis Quarters because that is what they really are. I try to avoid describing Qualifying Finals because the fact that the loser is not eliminated bring an element foreigners struggle to deal with.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Agree Foxtrot

I didn't have any problems with Scott until his ungracious comments about us winning the 2017 GF, and that was 3 weeks after we had been them in the qualifying final.
He'd had time to get over us beating them, everything he said about us was incorrect.

Pride and petulance: Chris Scott's critique of the 2017 Richmond flag

Some of the more attentive footy supporters may be aware of a strange little conversation that occurred on the Monday night following Richmond's awesome…

www.theroar.com.au

Musta missed that article way back then.
Guess poor old Salty still hasn't worked out what he was getting wrong even right through last years finals.
Doubt he's gunna somehow have an epiphany this year n realise the error of his coaching ways, doesn't have the capacity within the team to play a different style of footy anyway, so more structured stodge on the way for the moggies. Hope SHocking hurries up n extends his contract for another three years or so before this season unfolds to far.

 

[Baloo]

I too have tried to find vision of AFL360 from that night, but can't find it, but I remember it like yesterday.

All going well I can send you a link to the episode in a few hours or I may just trim that segment if I have some time

 

[ToraToraTora]

I cannot believe the last few pages of this, what should be, a simple, dedicated Pussy Whipping.
Fact - Geelong is *smile*.
Fact - Chris Scott is a perennial Richmond Hater.

There is no argument here. No debate.
Flogging them in 3 finals series on our way to 3 flags no less is a pleasure I will take to the grave.
They deserve no quarter, ever.