The case for a KPP draft pick

[IanG]

Bit different again in my opinion. Exceptions to every rule, Melbourne had the luxuary of the first pick last year and Morton before that. They have truly bottomed out and reaping the benefits of such. Their midfield doesn't look too bad for the future, and having Butcher to compliment Butcher gives them a handy one two punch considering they will have Scully and Morton in the midfield forgetting their players who have been there longer or promising talent like Valenti, Buckley etc to complient Davey who is playing more in the midfield these days and Mclean, Jones etc.

It wouldn't be a cardinal sin for Melbourne to go Butcher.

One reason why I do think we need to get our structure right is that a strong marking forward target should straighten us up far more on fwd thrusts and help alleviate the sideways crap that we always seem to fall into.

 

[Tango]

Basically what it comes down to is that we must make every effort to get a second 1st round draft pick - EVERY effort
The coach has said no sentiment in football and i agree, i dont care who you are, how long you have played at the club or who your father is? if we can get another first rounder for you and you are not part of our future then you are tradable.

IMO the only players that should not be put on the trade table (for the right price) are

Cotchin
Vickery
Post
Riewoldt

Build the team around them and EVERYONE else is tradeable for the right price (obviously guys like Tambling & Lids the price needs to be right)

 

[tigertime2]

The only question I have is there a Premiership KPP in the draft this year? if not then get the best player. Butcher looks gangly to me, definitely not a Jon Brown type. If they dont tear games apart at 18 they never will or your chances of waiting for developement to be ultra successful are very very slim, we have to get this right. You can always swap a Chris Judd for whatever you want, but you cannot trade a Paittison for a Judd.

 

[IanG]

The only question I have is there a Premiership KPP in the draft this year? if not then get the best player. Butcher looks gangly to me, definitely not a Jon Brown type.

He hasn't begun putting weight on yet. Despite his physique he's a strong contested mark, and was at U18 level, even when 16 last year.

 

[Dyer Disciple]

One reason why I do think we need to get our structure right is that a strong marking forward target should straighten us up far more on fwd thrusts and help alleviate the sideways crap that we always seem to fall into.

Didn't help us with Richo for so many years. The thing that has hurt us for so many years is not enough class, skill and guys with footy brains winning and distributing the ball. We must go class with a Pick 3 or 4. There are secondary things that would be great in addition, but our first pick should be the best talent/footballer/most skilled. His position should be secondary. If Butcher compares to Roughhead, Franklin, J.Brown, Watts etc with regard to their junior careers/talent then sure, if not we MUST go one of the highly touted midfielders that are being mentioned in most Top 4's.

I'd would be dissapointed to take Butcher out of desperation just because he is the best of a shallow lot and find we have a Andrew Macdougall (5), Kepler Bradley (6), Mitch Thorpe (6), Leigh Brown (5) etc on our hands when we could have another gun midfielder we desperately need also (in my opinion).

 

[Tony Braxton-Hicks]

Basically what it comes down to is that we must make every effort to get a second 1st round draft pick - EVERY effort
The coach has said no sentiment in football and i agree, i dont care who you are, how long you have played at the club or who your father is? if we can get another first rounder for you and you are not part of our future then you are tradable.

It sounds like you're making a case for Richo to be traded to the Bulldogs.

If Butcher compares to Roughhead, Franklin, J.Brown, Watts etc with regard to their junior careers/talent then sure, if not we MUST go one of the highly touted midfielders that are being mentioned in most Top 4's.

I'd would be dissapointed to take Butcher out of desperation just because he is the best of a shallow lot and find we have a Andrew Macdougall (5), Kepler Bradley (6), Mitch Thorpe (6), Leigh Brown (5) etc on our hands when we could have another gun midfielder we desperately need also (in my opinion).

My thoughts exactly.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

Post and Polak are more mobile type players, we need a player who can take a strong contested grab.

Errrrrrrr thats what exactly the strengths of both Post and Polak[I know question mark if he can get that part of his game back after the accident,But one id prefer to give another year to find out].

 

[johnson2richo2003]

I'd would be dissapointed to take Butcher out of desperation just because he is the best of a shallow lot and find we have a Andrew Macdougall (5), Kepler Bradley (6), Mitch Thorpe (6), Leigh Brown (5) etc on our hands when we could have another gun midfielder we desperately need also (in my opinion).

Hit the nail on the head DD.Butcher may be the best KPP in this years lot but really the question has to be asked how does he stack up against previous KPP,s taken in previous drafts.To me there,s to many question marks.We absolutely can not afford to stuff this pick up.

 

[GoodOne]

Build the team around them and EVERYONE else is tradeable for the right price (obviously guys like Tambling & Lids the price needs to be right)

If we have a mentality of trading players like Lids then we'll never go anywhere. Cant see how a Cotchin or Reiwoldt based on time on ground and performance so far would be untradeable if Lids is. Personally wouldnt trade any of those players.

 

[linuscambridge]

I think if you want a comparison, Kurt Tippet is a good one, more so than your Roughhead or Franklins. Tippet is more a ruckman playing forward and for my money has similar attributes at the same age, although I think Kurt was a bit older at the champs and was hidden amongst the QLD boys and therefore harder to judge how he would handle the step up.

If Butcher turned out as good as Tippet would you be happy using pick 3? Also, Vickery could easily turn out to have similar skills as Tippet, and therefore should we look for a ruckman instead and kepp Vickery safe for the forward slot?

 

[IanG]

Didn't help us with Richo for so many years.

Thats because Richo runs around like a headless chook most of the time. However I will agree that if Francis judges that Butcher is not say of the standard of Roughead then we probably shouldn't pick him but my feeling is that he is that good.

Errrrrrrr thats what exactly the strengths of both Post and Polak[I know question mark if he can get that part of his game back after the accident,But one id prefer to give another year to find out].

I mean that Butcher is more a FF type who can straighten us up. Post and Polak are more mobile lead up type forwards. Besides if we get Butcher that will free up Post to go to CHB.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

I mean that Butcher is more a FF type who can straighten us up. Post and Polak are more mobile lead up type forwards. Besides if we get Butcher that will free up Post to go to CHB.

Ahhhh ok.Hopefully the Draft camp will sort some things out with Butcher.

 

[Tango]

If we have a mentality of trading players like Lids then we'll never go anywhere. Cant see how a Cotchin or Reiwoldt based on time on ground and performance so far would be untradeable if Lids is. Personally wouldnt trade any of those players.

not suggesting we trade lids but if the offer was right (and would have to be great) then i would
cotchin is a gun and vickers, riewoldt and post have shown enough and have size to build a team around (if u add lids and tambling in there) thats a good start however if we were able to get a sculley and trenthorne SOMEHOW i would do whatever it took

 

[IanG]

not suggesting we trade lids but if the offer was right (and would have to be great) then i would
cotchin is a gun and vickers, riewoldt and post have shown enough and have size to build a team around (if u add lids and tambling in there) thats a good start however if we were able to get a sculley and trenthorne SOMEHOW i would do whatever it took

Problem is Cotchin might be injury prone throughout his career whereas Lids looks like hardly ever getting injured <touches wood>.

 

[GoodOne]

not suggesting we trade lids but if the offer was right (and would have to be great) then i would
cotchin is a gun and vickers, riewoldt and post have shown enough and have size to build a team around (if u add lids and tambling in there) thats a good start however if we were able to get a sculley and trenthorne SOMEHOW i would do whatever it took

Fair enough. But lets face it Melbourne are in a rebuild mode, they arent going to give up their 1 and 2 picks. Scully is gone (havent Melbourne already committed officially to him?) and I wouldnt be trading Deledio for anything but that. Would be no point in trading Scully for Deledio for example, would there? And if we managed that surely Melbourne would go Trenthorne. I'd prefer to keep Deledio and get Trenthorne with our number 3.

 

[GoodOne]

Problem is Cotchin might be injury prone throughout his career whereas Lids looks like hardly ever getting injured <touches wood>.

Agree Ian, I love Cotchin, looks like a super star when he's on the track but the biggest risk for him right now is his proneness to injury.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Didn't help us with Richo for so many years. The thing that has hurt us for so many years is not enough class, skill and guys with footy brains winning and distributing the ball. We must go class with a Pick 3 or 4. There are secondary things that would be great in addition, but our first pick should be the best talent/footballer/most skilled. His position should be secondary. If Butcher compares to Roughhead, Franklin, J.Brown, Watts etc with regard to their junior careers/talent then sure, if not we MUST go one of the highly touted midfielders that are being mentioned in most Top 4's.

I'd would be dissapointed to take Butcher out of desperation just because he is the best of a shallow lot and find we have a Andrew Macdougall (5), Kepler Bradley (6), Mitch Thorpe (6), Leigh Brown (5) etc on our hands when we could have another gun midfielder we desperately need also (in my opinion).

That's where I am leaning.
Good midfielders can make ordinary forwards look damn good.

 

[Tigerdog]

Fair enough. But lets face it Melbourne are in a rebuild mode, they arent going to give up their 1 and 2 picks. Scully is gone (havent Melbourne already committed officially to him?) and I wouldnt be trading Deledio for anything but that. Would be no point in trading Scully for Deledio for example, would there? And if we managed that surely Melbourne would go Trenthorne. I'd prefer to keep Deledio and get Trenthorne with our number 3.

Who is this 'Trenthorne' that you blokes speak of? Some smokey we don't know about?

 

[Tony Braxton-Hicks]

Butcher looked like a star at the 08 champs but was very Richmond-like this year. Any stats from the TAC?

 

[IanG]

Butcher looked like a star at the 08 champs but was very Richmond-like this year. Any stats from the TAC?

He was apparently injured during the National Championships.