Tambling (merged)

[Brodders17]

Re: Dustin Martin Round 10 Rising Star Nomination

So you think Tambling is in Kerr's class?

Jeez if you read many posters on here we've got all these good players (McGuane, Jackson, Tambling etc) yet we are/have been so catastrophically bad. Must have been the coach. Or the umpires maybe? : Maybe they've been played out of position?

PRE flower sniffers - objectivity? Pffft.....

aah. i think i get it now. injuries are a reason for elite players to be down on form, but not for not-so-elite players.
and for the elite, injuries can be used as a reason for form drops for 2 1/2 years. for not-so-elite they can't be used for a 1/2 year.

never said tambling was in kerr's class.

 

[Big Cat Lover]

Re: Dustin Martin Round 10 Rising Star Nomination

aah. i think i get it now. injuries are a reason for elite players to be down on form, but not for not-so-elite players.
and for the elite, injuries can be used as a reason for form drops for 2 1/2 years. for not-so-elite they can't be used for a 1/2 year.

never said tambling was in kerr's class.

At least we're getting somewhere

And yes, you can generally tell when an elite player is injured eg brown, fevola as their output suffers. In Tamblings case I really haven't seen anything different to his previous form. Average football from an average player.

 

[Brodders17]

Re: Dustin Martin Round 10 Rising Star Nomination

In Tamblings case I really haven't seen anything different to his previous form.

Tambling's averages:
2010: K: 6.4 H: 5.8 D: 12.1 M: 2.8 T: 4.6
2009: K: 12.1 H: 9.5 D: 21.5 M: 6.4 T: 3.2
2008: K: 9.2 H: 8.3 D: 17.5 M: 5.1 T: 3.3
2007: K: 8.0 H: 5.6 D:13.6 M: 4.7 T: 2.5

You write some truly strange things.

 

[Big Cat Lover]

Re: Dustin Martin Round 10 Rising Star Nomination

Tambling's averages:
2010: K: 6.4 H: 5.8 D: 12.1 M: 2.8 T: 4.6
2009: K: 12.1 H: 9.5 D: 21.5 M: 6.4 T: 3.2
2008: K: 9.2 H: 8.3 D: 17.5 M: 5.1 T: 3.3
2007: K: 8.0 H: 5.6 D:13.6 M: 4.7 T: 2.5

You write some truly strange things.

Nice stats, I do have some egg. Agreed they do show a reduced output but if he's "injured" why is he tackling more? Would have thought his injury would prevent him from seeking contact? Or if his speed is affected his ability to get to contest to make tackles would be affected.

What those stats show in raw numbers is even in his best year he averaged less disposals than the better midfielders (he was 89th in the league). He's never really been tagged, he's had a pretty good run with injury, he's had better midfielders around him yet he still has average output. He will never be elite. The best we can hope for is as a contributor/role player. Maybe when he's our 22nd player picked we will be getting better results.

 

[Disco08]

Re: Tambling [Merged]

What those stats show in raw numbers is even in his best year he averaged less disposals than the better midfielders (he was 89th in the league). He's never really been tagged, he's had a pretty good run with injury, he's had better midfielders around him yet he still has average output. He will never be elite. The best we can hope for is as a contributor/role player. Maybe when he's our 22nd player picked we will be getting better results.

He didn't play in the midfield though. During the year he had stints as a marking forward, a half back and ultimately a roaming half forward. How do his stats compare to players in those roles?

I agree he is unlikely to be an elite player. I think it's ludicrous to say he needs to be our 22nd best player for us to be any good though. Playing as he did for much of last year he'd be a valuable contributor in any side.

 

[Tigerfan]

Re: Tambling [Merged]

He didn't play in the midfield though. During the year he had stints as a marking forward, a half back and ultimately a roaming half forward. How do his stats compare to players in those roles?

I agree he is unlikely to be an elite player. I think it's ludicrous to say he needs to be our 22nd best player for us to be any good though. Playing as he did for much of last year he'd be a valuable contributor in any side.

which is why he'd be on my trade list. If he wan't there, we'd miss the glimpses (Like Krakouer) but generally we could cover him but he might bring us something we need.

 

[ZeroGame]

Re: Dustin Martin Round 10 Rising Star Nomination

What those stats show in raw numbers is even in his best year he averaged less disposals than the better midfielders (he was 89th in the league).

Except he hasn't really been playing a midfield role
Sure he may have been 89th in the league in disposals, however other players around that mark or lower include players like Domenic Cassisi, Darren Milburn, Brent Harvey, Luke Hodge, Colin Sylvia, Ryan Griffen, Andrew McLeod, Brad Green, Nathan Van Berlo, Brad Johnson, Chad Cornes, Grant Birchall, Graham Johncock, Brett Kirk & Lindsay Gilbee. Some decent players in that bunch and they are all within + or - 1 disposal per game in 2009.

 

[Disco08]

Re: Tambling [Merged]

Trading low is generally a poor strategy.

Don't think we've ever missed anything to do with Krakouer but I certainly think we're missing last year's Tambling to compliment the work being done by Cotchin, Martin, Foley, Tuck and Jackson.

 

[ZeroGame]

Re: Tambling [Merged]

He didn't play in the midfield though. During the year he had stints as a marking forward, a half back and ultimately a roaming half forward. How do his stats compare to players in those roles?

I'm repeating myself here as BCL has the same discussion going in this thread and the Dustin Martin Rising Star thread for some reason.

Anyway the list of players around the same number of average disposals or lower include players like Domenic Cassisi, Darren Milburn, Brent Harvey, Luke Hodge, Colin Sylvia, Ryan Griffen, Andrew McLeod, Brad Green, Nathan Van Berlo, Brad Johnson, Chad Cornes, Grant Birchall, Graham Johncock, Brett Kirk & Lindsay Gilbee. Some decent players in that bunch and they are all within + or - 1 disposal per game in 2009. There are others like Cox and Pavlich too but they play pretty different positions.

 

[Disco08]

Re: Tambling [Merged]

I'm repeating myself here as BCL has the same discussion going in this thread and the Dustin Martin Rising Star thread for some reason.

Sorry I know. I copied the quote from that thread to try and let that thread get back on topic. I'll move the Tambling discussion here when I get the chance.

 

[Brodders17]

Re: Tambling [Merged]

I'm repeating myself here as BCL has the same discussion going in this thread and the Dustin Martin Rising Star thread for some reason.

that might be my fault. :-[

 

[Brodders17]

Re: Dustin Martin Round 10 Rising Star Nomination

Nice stats, I do have some egg. Agreed they do show a reduced output but if he's "injured" why is he tackling more? Would have thought his injury would prevent him from seeking contact? Or if his speed is affected his ability to get to contest to make tackles would be affected.

i think his tackle count is a reflection of his ability to push thru the pain, to will himself into the contest, and his pure guts and determination to not let his ailing body let the team down.
or it could be that he has lost a little speed off the mark and is therefore second to the ball more often.
or it could be a change of team focus, or a different game style leading to more stoppages, and therefore more opportunity to tackle.

im pretty sure tho, its the first reason i gave.

 

[Leysy Days]

Re: Dustin Martin Round 10 Rising Star Nomination

i think his tackle count is a reflection of his ability to push thru the pain, to will himself into the contest, and his pure guts and determination to not let his ailing body let the team down.
or it could be that he has lost a little speed off the mark and is therefore second to the ball more often.
or it could be a change of team focus, or a different game style leading to more stoppages, and therefore more opportunity to tackle.

im pretty sure tho, its the first reason i gave.

Not sure of you really believe that last part, but leysy would hazard a guess what you believe is not the chief reason by a long shot.

Leysy would back in its the fact the coaching staff are weighting far more emphasis on tackling than before thus Richie's has gone up in line with the rest of his teammates.

That we have gone from a season average in tackles of 59 per game last year to 78 thus far this would bare that out.

 

[Elmer]

Re: Tambling [Merged]

We're a better team with Tambling and he is still only 23.

Will be a core player for some time yet.

 

[Lidsand]

Re: Tambling [Merged]

no surprises ritchie played in defence last night in patches and looked far more effective and dangerous.

a few more touches and some nice work defensively

looks like his fitness is coming back as the insiders suggested it would

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Re: Tambling [Merged]

St.Kilda were all over him early, he was suffocated the instant he got hands on the ball.

Better when allowed space down back. Simply has to be given room to work in.

 

[TIGEREXTRA]

Re: Tambling [Merged]

What I was happy with was that he went when it was his turn, I didn't see him pull out of any hard contests which is pleasing.

 

[BladeTiger]

Re: Tambling [Merged]

Did anyone notice the lightning pickup and handball on the hff in the 2nd? Truly elite work. Solid game from Richie. Hope he builds from it

 

[GoodOne]

Re: Tambling [Merged]

Did anyone notice the lightning pickup and handball on the hff in the 2nd? Truly elite work. Solid game from Richie. Hope he builds from it

Elite work? lol. He was terrible again. Agree that he looked better down back in the last quarter and a half but he was playing a loose man and picking up cheap possessions. Then he would kick it to a 3 on 1, or a high ball to a team mate that was easily picked off. Caught so many times I lost count. He's struggling. Two choices from here in my opinion; play him off the half back flank and see if he can find some form or give him a few in the 2s to get confidence back. At the moment he is just struggling. It's not coincidence that Leigh Matthews himself commented about how many times Tambling was caught.

 

[Col.E.Kurtz]

Re: Tambling [Merged]

Was ok, just ok. However his defensive running was so noticably poor at one point that I reckon the only way he is keeping his spot is that he has some excuse for not running 100 per cent