Brodders17 said:We have posters justifying Cotchins early season form as not being his best because he isnt fully fit, same for Cousins, posters saying Rioli is a star, just not fully fit, posters saying Browns average game a couple of weeks ago was due to him not being fully fit, yet some of these same posters dismiss the chance Tambling isnt fully fit with lines like if he is not fit dont play him etc.
Skills said:jb raises another interesting point re the difficulty playing HFF.
What does he need to do fulfil the true value in a HFF role?
IrockZ said:Cotchin was BOG on Sunday. Rioli was BOG in his first game back a month ago. Please remind me of when Tambling was BOG this year?
He just isnt that good.
GoodOne said:Cotchin's worst has been Tambling's best this year. The argument isn't about playing if you're not quite match fit, it's about not being able to give 100% at the contest and what value you are giving the team. Cotchin always gives 100% at the contest. Again I saw the other day, Cotchin tackle a player, get up off the ground, go another player, and then do it again a third time. I have never seen Tambling do this.
lamb22 said:I'm with Disco in the sub. Just saw the replay after watching the game live sunday and Tambling did a lot of very good work. Kept the ball in well, tackled well, linked up well, kicked a nice goal. Victim of unreal expectations and coloured perceptions I think. The worm will turn soon enough.
This simply isn't true. I want Richie to succeed. He's a great young man and a Territorian to boot. But he missed MANY tackles on Sunday and this was a game when we needed his best defensive work in the forward line ... after all we are finally get it in there enough times now. His tackling was very poor on Sunday, but I did think his other work was acceptable.Disco08 said:most things he did were good apart from a couple of missed tackles which plenty of players wouldn't have made.
Not sure as I didn't count. It was just something I noticed. From memory, I think the second half was worse than the first. If I'm wrong, I stand corrected. But I don't think most AFL players have much fear about getting around/through a Tambling tackle atm.Disco08 said:How many? I just watched and recorded it so I can have another look to see if I missed some. 3 I counted and 2 of them were certainly not easy tackles to make.
Leysy Days said:But he played up to the level which he is consistently capable of which is all leysy expects.
GoodOne said:Cotchin's worst has been Tambling's best this year. The argument isn't about playing if you're not quite match fit, it's about not being able to give 100% at the contest and what value you are giving the team. Cotchin always gives 100% at the contest. Again I saw the other day, Cotchin tackle a player, get up off the ground, go another player, and then do it again a third time. I have never seen Tambling do this. Cousins, if he's not fit, just shouldn't be playing either. And he hasn't just 4 games this year. Even so 20 possessions a match, and most are quality, you are getting some value from him in the team. Comparing Rioli and Tambling, well that's simply ludicrous. Rioli won the match for Hawthorn off his own boot. If Tambling could give that sort of value, then I don't think anyone would be complaining. Brown, again silly comparison. He's arguably Brisbane's most important player. In hindsight though, now with the issues Brown is having, I am sure Brisbane might now be thinking that they should have rested him. Finally, I can't remember any of Cousins, Cotchin, Brown or Rioli having the litany of excuses for poor performances over their careers that Tambling has. If this was the first time Tambling was struggling then I'd understand, but how often can the boy call 'wolf' before you start wondering whether the problem is with Tambling himself and his psyche.
Brodders17 said:my point isnt to compare them as players. my point is that for all of them injury has been used as an excuse/reason for those guys not playing at their best. many posters dismiss this possibilty for tambling.
GoodOne said:If this was the first time Tambling was struggling then I'd understand, but how often can the boy call 'wolf' before you start wondering whether the problem is with Tambling himself and his psyche.
Disco08 said:How many? I just watched and recorded it so I can have another look to see if I missed some. 3 I counted and 2 of them were certainly not easy tackles to make.
Meaning he hit 7 tackles and missed 9. Not a great result I would have thought, although I admit to not knowing what a good tackle % actually is.rosy23 said:According to prosports stats Richie had 7 tackles at 43% efficiency.
How about all the critisism of Foley in the past two seasons, people saying if he's injured he shouldn't be playing. Now he's been rested so he can come back 100% fit and we remember how good he really is. Foley had a degenerative injury which when playing was getting worse, Tambling is recovering from an injury which will only get better with more miles in his legs. I don't know why this keeps getting overlooked or ignored by many who consider it irrelevant.Brodders17 said:my point isnt to compare them as players. my point is that for all of them injury has been used as an excuse/reason for those guys not playing at their best. many posters dismiss this possibilty for tambling.
i dont know if tamblings injuries are having an effect or not, neither does anyone else here. but i do know tamblings form steadily improved over the years until he reached the form of last year when he was good for most of the year. for some reason that improvement hasnt continued this year.
Leysy Days said:Richie was OK on the weekend bar one shocking turnover ILO.
Still runs to the wrong spots, which isnt going to change.
Think he should have started on Peterson who took Farmer (from memory, but unsure) apart until Newman had to go back on him.
But he played up to the level which he is consistently capable of which is all leysy expects.
hopper said:Meaning he hit 7 tackles and missed 9. Not a great result I would have thought, although I admit to not knowing what a good tackle % actually is.