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Re: Tambling [Merged]
Cotchin's worst has been Tambling's best this year. The argument isn't about playing if you're not quite match fit, it's about not being able to give 100% at the contest and what value you are giving the team. Cotchin always gives 100% at the contest. Again I saw the other day, Cotchin tackle a player, get up off the ground, go another player, and then do it again a third time. I have never seen Tambling do this. Cousins, if he's not fit, just shouldn't be playing either. And he hasn't just 4 games this year. Even so 20 possessions a match, and most are quality, you are getting some value from him in the team. Comparing Rioli and Tambling, well that's simply ludicrous. Rioli won the match for Hawthorn off his own boot. If Tambling could give that sort of value, then I don't think anyone would be complaining. Brown, again silly comparison. He's arguably Brisbane's most important player. In hindsight though, now with the issues Brown is having, I am sure Brisbane might now be thinking that they should have rested him. Finally, I can't remember any of Cousins, Cotchin, Brown or Rioli having the litany of excuses for poor performances over their careers that Tambling has. If this was the first time Tambling was struggling then I'd understand, but how often can the boy call 'wolf' before you start wondering whether the problem is with Tambling himself and his psyche.
Brodders17 said:
Cotchin's worst has been Tambling's best this year. The argument isn't about playing if you're not quite match fit, it's about not being able to give 100% at the contest and what value you are giving the team. Cotchin always gives 100% at the contest. Again I saw the other day, Cotchin tackle a player, get up off the ground, go another player, and then do it again a third time. I have never seen Tambling do this. Cousins, if he's not fit, just shouldn't be playing either. And he hasn't just 4 games this year. Even so 20 possessions a match, and most are quality, you are getting some value from him in the team. Comparing Rioli and Tambling, well that's simply ludicrous. Rioli won the match for Hawthorn off his own boot. If Tambling could give that sort of value, then I don't think anyone would be complaining. Brown, again silly comparison. He's arguably Brisbane's most important player. In hindsight though, now with the issues Brown is having, I am sure Brisbane might now be thinking that they should have rested him. Finally, I can't remember any of Cousins, Cotchin, Brown or Rioli having the litany of excuses for poor performances over their careers that Tambling has. If this was the first time Tambling was struggling then I'd understand, but how often can the boy call 'wolf' before you start wondering whether the problem is with Tambling himself and his psyche.
Re: Tambling [Merged]
Play some decent footy in ANY position.
The coach/s he has had will have played him in the most appropriate position. They are paid several hundreds of thousands of dollars to find positions for players - and they have a staff to help them.
This is not about POSITION, it is about getting a KICK and doing SOMETHING with it!
Skills said:
Play some decent footy in ANY position.
The coach/s he has had will have played him in the most appropriate position. They are paid several hundreds of thousands of dollars to find positions for players - and they have a staff to help them.
This is not about POSITION, it is about getting a KICK and doing SOMETHING with it!
Re: Tambling [Merged]
I am a bit of a Tambling fan - but then I have always liked any player who wears the yellow and black (regardless of how good or bad)
I did hear recently on SEN (not sure if anyone else has mentioned this) David King was asked his opinion of Tambling and his response was - good average player - or something along those lines.
Not sure if you put much into Kingy's opinion as he is a former assistant coach - but you would think the guy would be showing something on a more regular basis to what he does.
Too few and far between are his memorable plays - so maybe we just have to accept that his best is not as good as we all hoped.
Would be happy to be proven wrong.
I am a bit of a Tambling fan - but then I have always liked any player who wears the yellow and black (regardless of how good or bad)
I did hear recently on SEN (not sure if anyone else has mentioned this) David King was asked his opinion of Tambling and his response was - good average player - or something along those lines.
Not sure if you put much into Kingy's opinion as he is a former assistant coach - but you would think the guy would be showing something on a more regular basis to what he does.
Too few and far between are his memorable plays - so maybe we just have to accept that his best is not as good as we all hoped.
Would be happy to be proven wrong.
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Quoted this from another thread because it's a good point. Having read some of the posts on here (like Scribblar's among others) you'd have thought he was a standout WOG against Hawthorn. Having just seen the replay I agree with Lamb - most things he did were good apart from a couple of missed tackles which plenty of players wouldn't have made. The problem is he just isn't getting near it enough but I think he's playing the traditional small forward role which he's never played well.
lamb22 said:
Quoted this from another thread because it's a good point. Having read some of the posts on here (like Scribblar's among others) you'd have thought he was a standout WOG against Hawthorn. Having just seen the replay I agree with Lamb - most things he did were good apart from a couple of missed tackles which plenty of players wouldn't have made. The problem is he just isn't getting near it enough but I think he's playing the traditional small forward role which he's never played well.
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This simply isn't true. I want Richie to succeed. He's a great young man and a Territorian to boot. But he missed MANY tackles on Sunday and this was a game when we needed his best defensive work in the forward line ... after all we are finally get it in there enough times now. His tackling was very poor on Sunday, but I did think his other work was acceptable.Disco08 said:
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Richie was OK on the weekend bar one shocking turnover ILO.
Still runs to the wrong spots, which isnt going to change.
Think he should have started on Peterson who took Farmer (from memory, but unsure) apart until Newman had to go back on him.
But he played up to the level which he is consistently capable of which is all leysy expects.
Richie was OK on the weekend bar one shocking turnover ILO.
Still runs to the wrong spots, which isnt going to change.
Think he should have started on Peterson who took Farmer (from memory, but unsure) apart until Newman had to go back on him.
But he played up to the level which he is consistently capable of which is all leysy expects.
Re: Tambling [Merged]
Not sure as I didn't count. It was just something I noticed. From memory, I think the second half was worse than the first. If I'm wrong, I stand corrected. But I don't think most AFL players have much fear about getting around/through a Tambling tackle atm.Disco08 said:
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my point isnt to compare them as players. my point is that for all of them injury has been used as an excuse/reason for those guys not playing at their best. many posters dismiss this possibilty for tambling.
i dont know if tamblings injuries are having an effect or not, neither does anyone else here. but i do know tamblings form steadily improved over the years until he reached the form of last year when he was good for most of the year. for some reason that improvement hasnt continued this year.
GoodOne said:
my point isnt to compare them as players. my point is that for all of them injury has been used as an excuse/reason for those guys not playing at their best. many posters dismiss this possibilty for tambling.
i dont know if tamblings injuries are having an effect or not, neither does anyone else here. but i do know tamblings form steadily improved over the years until he reached the form of last year when he was good for most of the year. for some reason that improvement hasnt continued this year.
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I don't dismiss injury as a possibility. But some players can handle injuries and still play well due to their mental toughness, others cannot. I think you have to compare them as players, as, regardless of injury, it comes down to their worth to the team on any given day. As Voss said to Fevola, basically, once you are out on the ground, you have to give your full commitment.
Brodders17 said:
I don't dismiss injury as a possibility. But some players can handle injuries and still play well due to their mental toughness, others cannot. I think you have to compare them as players, as, regardless of injury, it comes down to their worth to the team on any given day. As Voss said to Fevola, basically, once you are out on the ground, you have to give your full commitment.
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How often has he needed excuses? I only really recall last year when Wallet rolled out the no sleep excuse for his shocker against the Dogs. Prior to that the only "excuse" I ever heard was that it takes time for players to develop. Given he reached a new level that most seemed to find more than acceptable after that I don't think this opinion can be passed of as anything but accurate. Certainly it wasn't excuse making.
This year I think a lot of us are wondering what's happened to him. His form has dropped heaps, not just a little bit which to me seems very strange for a player who's made steady improvement for 5 years. Maybe it's his commitment, maybe not. That reasoning would make the least sense to me given reports of his demeanor around training and the club in general during his career, unless of course as someone else said he's secretly signed with GC and is planning to walk out at the end of the year.
GoodOne said:
How often has he needed excuses? I only really recall last year when Wallet rolled out the no sleep excuse for his shocker against the Dogs. Prior to that the only "excuse" I ever heard was that it takes time for players to develop. Given he reached a new level that most seemed to find more than acceptable after that I don't think this opinion can be passed of as anything but accurate. Certainly it wasn't excuse making.
This year I think a lot of us are wondering what's happened to him. His form has dropped heaps, not just a little bit which to me seems very strange for a player who's made steady improvement for 5 years. Maybe it's his commitment, maybe not. That reasoning would make the least sense to me given reports of his demeanor around training and the club in general during his career, unless of course as someone else said he's secretly signed with GC and is planning to walk out at the end of the year.
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How about all the critisism of Foley in the past two seasons, people saying if he's injured he shouldn't be playing. Now he's been rested so he can come back 100% fit and we remember how good he really is. Foley had a degenerative injury which when playing was getting worse, Tambling is recovering from an injury which will only get better with more miles in his legs. I don't know why this keeps getting overlooked or ignored by many who consider it irrelevant.Brodders17 said:
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Fairish post, but I'm thinking that when we get better - he might actually be in the right spots (and been there most of the time)
On a different point, agree with you on Hawks very slow and stagnant which allowed us to stay on the contest. It will be interesting to see how we go this week - maybe a let down.
However, regardless of the fact that Hawks were poor, I was impressed by the numbers at the ball at the contests - seems our structure may be clicking in - also noted a little more hardness and attitude at stop plays - before and after - only green shoots but promising signs.
Leysy Days said:
Fairish post, but I'm thinking that when we get better - he might actually be in the right spots (and been there most of the time)
On a different point, agree with you on Hawks very slow and stagnant which allowed us to stay on the contest. It will be interesting to see how we go this week - maybe a let down.
However, regardless of the fact that Hawks were poor, I was impressed by the numbers at the ball at the contests - seems our structure may be clicking in - also noted a little more hardness and attitude at stop plays - before and after - only green shoots but promising signs.
