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Six Pack said:
Totally agree.
The individual awards come as a bonus for being an elite senior player.....and the more elite senior players we have the more chance we have of getting the 4 points you speak about.
Like I said to Disco...we're in the position we are in because we haven't got elite senior players and it is a reflection on our choice of player when we have had top-10 draft picks.
I have been dissapointed with most of the list from what I have seen this year but Tambling is one who IMHO has taken small steps in the right direction along with Wil,Sarge an Pato.......
CC TIGER said:
Agree - Bling, Patto, Schulz and Cleve are the only players who have looked to have improved somewhat from last year. The rest we haven't seen as yet or the ones we have seen have either gone backwards or equalled last year. I reckon Matty White's name will be on the improve list in a couple of weeks as well.
Overall, an insufficient level of improvement across the team to significantly improve the team's position :-\
CC TIGER said:
The problem is that samll steps are not enough from a player of this supposed quality.
In short if he were any good then clubs would at least "consider" trading him in a direct swap for Pendlebury, Dale Thomas, Jordan Lewis, Jarrod Roughead, Travis Cloke, Marc Murphy etc. And I haven't gone near Buddy.
The problem is that we all know that other clubs would scoff at us. This is an example of how far he has fallen behind his contempories (drafted within a year of him)....
Abe Simpson said:
Thomas, Pendlebury, Cloke you've got to be joking. whilst promising they all still have alot to prove. Lewis is a gun and Marc Murphy is pretty good too. Roughhead is just coming good now. You have to amit that its only now that most of these players are coming good. I put Tambling in that group too. If Tambling was a 20th or 30th pick instead of 4, I'm sure that people would say he's progressing fine. You see I don't care if he ends up the 4th best player in the draft because that is where he was picked. I want to see imporvement in a player and someone who has good skills to kick a ball to position and to advantage and to be hard t the ball and to be able to work well with team mates and want to win a game. Tambling is progressing fine and has already improved this year and will improve more.
GoodOne said:
Goodies I am a fan of Ritchie & I would swap him in a heartbeat for Cloke. Surely it's you who's joking? :headscratch
GoodOne said:
I think if you ask any Collingwood supporter (and most neutral supporters in general) and you'd would find Thomas and Pendlebury are rated higher than simply being promising, and as for Cloke didn't he win a B&F? (and in a team that finished in the top four last year?). Also bear in mind Roughhead is coming good as a key position player (you'd take one of them over 10 skinny flankers any day). For what it's worth I have no particular interest in bagging Tambling, but very few non Richmond supporters envy us for having him, especially bearing in mind he cost us a pick four. The general perception is that after having been such a decorated junior he has turned out as a bit of a dud. That's a bit harsh (although I myself have long abandoned any hope of greatest on his part, with luck he'll turn out a serviceable player), but no way would he rank in the group Abe Simpson nominated among anyone other than his most ardent Richmond fans and apologists.
Liverpool said:
Lol, you are a genius, of course!
We should pick the best young players in each draft.... then aim for them to be the best players at AFL level!!
We shouldn't be wasting our time picking the best youngsters who we know won't actually be elite at AFL level, just like Tambling and JON who we thought would both be superstars at 18 but average at 22 :clap :clap
Write up a thesis and mail it to Punt Road QUICK FAST!! :rofl
Lets stop looking for excususes and lets make do with what we have. I do think Tambling can be as good a player as Lewis. He will get better as the year goes on when he is played on the ball.
Yes, if we knew what would happen 4 years down the track, we'd have picked up Buddy, no questions asked.
Judd would have went no.1
Voss and Hird would have also went no.1
Yes, if we knew what would happen 4 years down the track, we'd have picked up Buddy, no questions asked.
Judd would have went no.1
Voss and Hird would have also went no.1
What I find amusing sometimes about the Tambling thread, is the anticipation created during each off season in recent years. You here, "Tamblings bulked up", "His ready to step up", "The stats show he is improving". All academic stuff if you ask me. We also find this great debate b/t Tambling & Franklin going nowhere, as one player has hit the AFL with a bang, whilst the other is struggling to live up to the potential he was initially drafted with. Lets just accept Tambling wont be the star we all expected. More to the point, the RFC should accept he wont be the star they expected. You see, at number 4 (and touted as one of the best things to come out of the NT) he has been dissapointing. Luck does play a major part in recruiting, but when you have early picks, you need to get it right. Thomas at pick 2 in 2005 raised the eyebrows amongst other recruiters. For this example, you may call it luck. After all, not many predicted Thomas would elevate himself to star qualities so early in his career. But the same recruiting officer who called Pendelbury's name in the same draft or Nathan Brown, Travis Cloke & Heath Shaw in other drafts, wont want to think it was luck during the decision making process.
GoodOne said:
I'm confused as to how you can say Cloke, Pendlebury and Cloke still have a lot to prove but say Lewis is a gun? Based on what?
Thomas: debut 2006, 44 games, 35 goals (ave 0.79), Collingwoods best first year player 2006. 6th in the Copeland 2007
Cloke: debut 2005, 58 games, 60 goals (ave 1.03), 2007 Copeland trophy winner, best finals player for Collingwood 2007
Pendlebury: debut 2006, 35 games, 25 goals (ave 0.71), runner up Rising star 2007, Copeland 2007 runner up
Lewis: debut 2005, 64 games, 22 goals (ave 0.34), best first year player 2005, 2007 4th b&f,
...and how exactly is Tambling progressing well? What's he doing in the 3 games in 2008 that he hasn't done in the 3 seasons prior?
