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Talking Politics
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Six Pack said:
Of course it's about oil...but it's not JUST about oil.
By being in Iraq and Afghanistan allows the Coalition to have Iran virtually surrounded:
...which is important if they need to strike first, due to Iran's continual threats to use a nuclear weapon to wipe Israel off the map.
It also allows the Coalition to have Syria surrounded on the other side of Iraq.
Six Pack said:
Israel one day....another 'infidel' non-Islamic country the next.
The way to solve such a dilemma is to nip it in the bud before it even gets going, and that's another reason why I have no problem with the Coalition forces being in Iraq and Afghanistan.
There has to be a minimum of 33 and a maximum or 68 days between the issuing of writs and the actual election. It won't be held the couple of weeks before Christmas, so I'd reckon the last date would be December 9 with writs issued November 6 at the latest, happens to be Melbourne Cup day. I would think the election is more likely to be late November. Seems to be what the Treasurer implied at the Grand final brekky last week.
Six Pack said:
Dawe and Clarke are funny....but c'mon Sixpack, the only real joke happening at present is the gutlessness of Rudd.
Surely if he believes the policies of his party are to the benefit of the Australian people, he would be happy that McClelland was getting their ideas and plans out there for the general public to hear and understand....not admonishing him.
Surely, if Howard is so bereft of ideas and that the Australian people think he is past it, then shouldn't Rudd be distancing himself from the Government's policies, not backing them left, right, and centre?
And surely, if Rudd is so open and honest as he portrays, he will continue to use the Government's policies after he is(?) elected....and not deceive the Australian people by changing to the 'true policies' once he gets into office?
This is the big joke to me at the moment.....except, I am not laughing.
Liverpool said:
All to be a small target for Howard and the pro conservative Australian Press.
Its called preventing wedge politics before the conservatives start it - wedge politics is the way Howard has got himself re-elected each time - when he got elected the 1st time he shut up - did not elucidate any poilicies to the voter and let Keatings bad polls momentum gain front page news. (Does this look like what Rudd is now doing to Howard?)
And for all your me too policy lambasting - Rudd is certainly different on the Industrial Relations front and that appears to be Howards "achillies heel". Add a dash of the Labor announced policy on the Iraq war - and you do have differences - however it is currently percieved by the press and Australians (if you believe the newspaper polls) that these differences are not the wedge differencies that Howard can win on.
I think it is wonderful to watch the big boys play political chess ...........RT
RemoteTiger said:
I don't know if I would call the Australian press "conservative"...I reckon the ABC, SBS, and The Age are leaning more towards the left than ever.
Rudd is sitting on the fence with the IR laws and Iraq......he hasn't committed either way yet with these policies.
He certainly isn't anti-Government regarding the IR situation with his "forward with fairness" hocus-pocus:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/02/02/1838777.htm
You'll like this article Remote:
http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve07/1340edit.html
Liverpool said:
Small targets are hard to hit - Australians do not like big changes being rushed in all at once - slowly slowly catchy monkey - just like Howard did - his major changes on IR and the like have only been made in the last 3 years not is his 1st 8 years - they are now coming back to haunt him (if you believe the polls)
Interesting Editorial - but truly the work of a conservative rag - which the guardian unmistakeably is................
PS the ABC SBS and Age Newspaper have no where near the market penetration of the Hearld Sun, Daily Telegraph, Channels 7,9 and 10 nor Fox News which are so pro conservative it is sickening
And besides - you conservatives have nothing to worry about Howard will win the next election because a 16 seat swing is far too much in one election - if that occurs it would be history in the making...................RT
RemoteTiger said:
Even though I'll be voting for the Libs....I still think Rudd will get in this time, purely because people want change.
It isn't because Howard has done anything wrong...or our economy is up the creek...it's purely because many people feel that maybe this is the time to give someone else a go.
Sort of like someone going to the same resturant every night because they cook a good meal, but no matter how good the meal is, sooner or later that person will go elsewhere to try something different.
Then in a couple of years when the ALP has screwed our economy once again, we'll be voting the Libs back in, and away we go again... :hihi
Liverpool said:
This would be the same honest john who will go down in history as the most untrustworthy PM of all time, with the litany of lies and deceit.
I must say he is head and shoulder above such luminaries as pig iron bob, gorton or sneddon.
Ghost Who Walks said:
Ya left out wing nut McMahon - ye ol' taxi cab going down Bourke Street with its front doors open!
I don't agree that the ABC, SBS and the AGE are left wing at all. I think they are far more deeply conservative than in the past.
I think that people have the perception that they lean to the left because political discourse in this country has become so mainstream, middle of the road and driven by polls and pragmatism.
Any serious discussion of politics is minimal these days, so the organisations who encourage it or do it themselves can seem to be pushing a cause or ideology.
I think that people have the perception that they lean to the left because political discourse in this country has become so mainstream, middle of the road and driven by polls and pragmatism.
Any serious discussion of politics is minimal these days, so the organisations who encourage it or do it themselves can seem to be pushing a cause or ideology.
Six Pack said:
Correct - and I wish the great unwashed masses would rise as one and tell the commercial media/press to get their act together........
RemoteTiger said:
Rubbish people.
Go on The Age site any time of day and I reckon you'll struggle to find any positive artcile about the Government....but their poster-boy Ruddy, is lauded like the second-coming (sorry Jayfox!
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