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Talking Politics
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where have the unions gone ??? are they on holiday with 17% loading comfortable in the knowledge that they dont work for ingeous ? :headscratch where are you greg combet when your rank and file/mums and dads and lets not forget the working class ,of which you claim to represent need you to don your red cape and rescue them from theperil that is big business from illegally under paying workers ? oh yeah thats right its only little kevvys wife whoe s screwing the worker.greg yors and the actu's silence is deafening :rotfl and where is the outrage on little kevvy's belief that women who dont have a career are just appendage's for middle aged men.i wonder if kevvy thinks working as a shop assistant is a "career" to use a quote from lara ... WHERE THE BLOODY HELL ARE YOU ??? :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl
Liverpool said:
LOL
I can't believe so many people on this thread have their own little favorite politicians!
rosy23 said:
Rosy,
A link/story is usually used to keep a thread going and to talk about a particular topic regarding (in this case), politics....so people can express their opinions.
Plus it saves me a lot of time typing when I agree with a story.....a quick link and highlight a section that is more relevant to what I am trying to get across, and we're all sweet and dandy! 8)
The AFL should change its policy but the federal Government's attempt to force the league to withdraw the code was exposed yesterday as a cynical political contrivance. The Prime Minister made an awful mess of an interview with 3AW's Neil Mitchell where he was embarrassingly shown not to have a single clue about the AFL's policy.
Look at this exchange:
NM: What do you want them (AFL) to do?
PM: We just want them to have a tougher policy.
NM: But no other sport that I understand does testing for illicit drugs outside competition. That's a start isn't it? Aren't they tougher in that sense?
PM: No, I don't think they are tougher than the other sports. I'm surprised to hear you suggest that they are tougher. I don't think they are.
NM: Well, they're tougher in terms of testing outside of competition.
PM: Well, I'm not sure that other - I stand corrected on that but that was not my understanding.
Howard also thought Costello was at yesterday's meeting with the AFL. He wasn't. It was attended by Sport Minister George Brandis and Ageing Minister Christopher Pyne. More interestingly, Howard was determined to make it clear the meeting was not his idea and he had no part in the planning of it. He forcefully placed it at the feet of Costello.
And this despite Pyne's assertion earlier in the week that he would be acting as the Prime Minister's representative at the meeting.
In the end the AFL outwitted the Government. It was conciliatory before the meeting and through it. The five point presentation made by the ministers looked amateurish and rushed. It was not even on government letterhead. They did not have any sanctions they might apply if the AFL most certainly doesn't comply.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou did not even give the ministers the courtesy of assuring them their proposal would reach the commission table. Even Channel 10's improbable wish for a twilight grand final will get to chairman Mike Fitzpatrick and the commission.
The Government's interest has come 30 months too late and come in a confused, haphazard manner. In the end Demetriou cutely said the AFL would respond when the Government approached the 88 sports that do not have an illicit drugs policy.
An election ploy has failed and a chance to right a wrong policy shamefully bungled. Maybe Kennett the Cappuccino was right. Drug-test the politicians. They certainly won't find any traces of speed. Only stupidity.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21795078-12270,00.html
Look at this exchange:
NM: What do you want them (AFL) to do?
PM: We just want them to have a tougher policy.
NM: But no other sport that I understand does testing for illicit drugs outside competition. That's a start isn't it? Aren't they tougher in that sense?
PM: No, I don't think they are tougher than the other sports. I'm surprised to hear you suggest that they are tougher. I don't think they are.
NM: Well, they're tougher in terms of testing outside of competition.
PM: Well, I'm not sure that other - I stand corrected on that but that was not my understanding.
Howard also thought Costello was at yesterday's meeting with the AFL. He wasn't. It was attended by Sport Minister George Brandis and Ageing Minister Christopher Pyne. More interestingly, Howard was determined to make it clear the meeting was not his idea and he had no part in the planning of it. He forcefully placed it at the feet of Costello.
And this despite Pyne's assertion earlier in the week that he would be acting as the Prime Minister's representative at the meeting.
In the end the AFL outwitted the Government. It was conciliatory before the meeting and through it. The five point presentation made by the ministers looked amateurish and rushed. It was not even on government letterhead. They did not have any sanctions they might apply if the AFL most certainly doesn't comply.
AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou did not even give the ministers the courtesy of assuring them their proposal would reach the commission table. Even Channel 10's improbable wish for a twilight grand final will get to chairman Mike Fitzpatrick and the commission.
The Government's interest has come 30 months too late and come in a confused, haphazard manner. In the end Demetriou cutely said the AFL would respond when the Government approached the 88 sports that do not have an illicit drugs policy.
An election ploy has failed and a chance to right a wrong policy shamefully bungled. Maybe Kennett the Cappuccino was right. Drug-test the politicians. They certainly won't find any traces of speed. Only stupidity.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21795078-12270,00.html
undrull and gypsy what is your take on little kevvys opinion of appendages ??????????????????????? what about greg combets offering of "we just should move on" ? jeez i would love to see the outrage if janet howard owned this business . where is the outrage hypocrites ?? :rotfl very quiet on the left front ;D
My take? Embarassing for Kevin R and his wife. Bad mistake. Rectified. Owned up to. None of the "I didn't know, I haven't read the cable, Nobody told me," AWB excuses etc etc. No ducking for cover.
As for Hyacinth Howard. Good luck to her. She's cost the taxpayer heaps by insisting they live in Sydney, but hey she didn't get her dining room at Parl House so I guess that makes up for it. As I understand it she pops out now and then to do a spot of charity work. Good luck to her.
As for the rest of your post stone I find it hard to know what you're on about.
As for Hyacinth Howard. Good luck to her. She's cost the taxpayer heaps by insisting they live in Sydney, but hey she didn't get her dining room at Parl House so I guess that makes up for it. As I understand it she pops out now and then to do a spot of charity work. Good luck to her.
As for the rest of your post stone I find it hard to know what you're on about.
ssstone said:
Firstly Janet Howard is a typical 1950's mother and housewife - she would not dare to work as John would frown on this - nor do I think she has the ability to run a business like this.
Secondly - if the Libs could start becoming positive with strong policy and capital infrstructure projects for Australia then they would get a rise in the polls plus possibly my vote - however they are constantly relying on the negative politics of shooting Kevin Rudd down.
The voters of Australia according to the polls are perceiving John Howard has been in the job too long - he himself admits it could be a more of a negative than a positive, yet all the Libs are doing is poking *smile* at the ALP - why can't they get on the front foot - particularly with the oversize budget surplus they have and start building Australian infrstructure again - get a positive vibe about them - instead of their stale old negative take on politics.
Then an only then will they look like a Government deserving re-election....................
Attack on AFL drugs policy a joke
Jason Koutsoukis
May 27, 2007
AMID all the bombast from Prime Minister John Howard and his ministers over the AFL's drugs policy, only one thing seems clear: not one of them has a clue what they're talking about.
Let's start with Christopher Pyne, the one who started it.
In addition to being Minister for Ageing, Pyne is happy to be described as "minister advising the Prime Minister on illicit drugs". Actually, Pyne failed to advise the PM on anything to do with the AFL's drugs policy. But some background first.
On Tuesday, May 15, Pyne went on ABC radio's PM program to flay the AFL over its drugs policy. Pyne was unable to explain what was wrong with the AFL's policy and could only repeat that he thought it might be at odds with the Government's approach.
Pyne also kept talking about a planned meeting with AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou. This was news
to Demetriou. The first he knew about it was when Pyne got off the air and ordered his staff to organise the meeting.
Over the next few days, Pyne raised the stakes, implying that the AFL was all but saying recreational drugs were OK.
But stop and ask why we know about any AFL players using illicit drugs in the first place? Because the AFL has the toughest drugs policy of any sporting code in the country.
Next to join in was Treasurer Peter Costello, who said the AFL was "soft" and should report drug use to the police. Since when did the AFL become a quasi law enforcement agency? What other organisation in the country is under such obligations? And do our police forces really want to have to follow up every single case of reported drug use?
As Hawthorn president and former premier Jeff Kennett said yesterday: "It's a bit rich for anyone to come in and say, 'Hey, you're the only one with a policy, so you've got to toughen up'."
The claptrap from Pyne was so daft you wonder why the AFL took any notice at all.
But Demetriou, clearly a man with manners, agreed to the meeting on Friday with Pyne, who was also bringing along Sports Minister George Brandis as backup.
If only they had briefed the Prime Minister, who was shredded by Neil Mitchell on 3AW the same morning. For starters, Howard kept repeating the falsehood that Costello was the one meeting Demetriou.
Howard had not the foggiest idea that Pyne would be there, let alone that Pyne organised it.
What sort of Minister Advising the Prime Minister is Pyne then? Not a very helpful one.
Asked repeatedly by Mitchell to explain what was wrong with the AFL's drugs policy, Howard conceded that he didn't know.
Then came this frank admission: "Yeah, well, that — I mean, I don't know. I mean, I must confess, Neil, I know this meeting is taking place and it's fine that it's taking place, but it's not a meeting that I requested and it's not a meeting that I have been directly involved in the planning for."
Word from the AFL is that when Pyne and Brandis turned up like looking like Laurel and Hardy, all they could do was produce a single page with some pathetic dot points. And not even on official letterhead.
Meanwhile, across town in Melbourne the same day, Aged and Community Care Victoria was having its annual state congress. According to sources from the association, Pyne did manage to make a brief appearance at the congress but spent most of the time complaining about not having much time because he had to go beat up the AFL.
Which event do you think might have been the more important given that Pyne is actually the Minister for Ageing?
The faux brawl with the AFL has been nothing but a political distraction from the start, cooked up by the same amateurs who have been running around for 10 years promising to deliver the prime ministership to Costello. No wonder Costello has never looked further away from the Lodge.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/attack-on-afl-drugs-policy-a-joke/2007/05/26/1179601730260.html
And dear Chris is the minister who whined a couple of weeks ago that he was too young to be Minister of the Aging. Nice way to treat your constituents, mate. Been taking a leaf out of Julie's book?
Jason Koutsoukis
May 27, 2007
AMID all the bombast from Prime Minister John Howard and his ministers over the AFL's drugs policy, only one thing seems clear: not one of them has a clue what they're talking about.
Let's start with Christopher Pyne, the one who started it.
In addition to being Minister for Ageing, Pyne is happy to be described as "minister advising the Prime Minister on illicit drugs". Actually, Pyne failed to advise the PM on anything to do with the AFL's drugs policy. But some background first.
On Tuesday, May 15, Pyne went on ABC radio's PM program to flay the AFL over its drugs policy. Pyne was unable to explain what was wrong with the AFL's policy and could only repeat that he thought it might be at odds with the Government's approach.
Pyne also kept talking about a planned meeting with AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou. This was news
to Demetriou. The first he knew about it was when Pyne got off the air and ordered his staff to organise the meeting.
Over the next few days, Pyne raised the stakes, implying that the AFL was all but saying recreational drugs were OK.
But stop and ask why we know about any AFL players using illicit drugs in the first place? Because the AFL has the toughest drugs policy of any sporting code in the country.
Next to join in was Treasurer Peter Costello, who said the AFL was "soft" and should report drug use to the police. Since when did the AFL become a quasi law enforcement agency? What other organisation in the country is under such obligations? And do our police forces really want to have to follow up every single case of reported drug use?
As Hawthorn president and former premier Jeff Kennett said yesterday: "It's a bit rich for anyone to come in and say, 'Hey, you're the only one with a policy, so you've got to toughen up'."
The claptrap from Pyne was so daft you wonder why the AFL took any notice at all.
But Demetriou, clearly a man with manners, agreed to the meeting on Friday with Pyne, who was also bringing along Sports Minister George Brandis as backup.
If only they had briefed the Prime Minister, who was shredded by Neil Mitchell on 3AW the same morning. For starters, Howard kept repeating the falsehood that Costello was the one meeting Demetriou.
Howard had not the foggiest idea that Pyne would be there, let alone that Pyne organised it.
What sort of Minister Advising the Prime Minister is Pyne then? Not a very helpful one.
Asked repeatedly by Mitchell to explain what was wrong with the AFL's drugs policy, Howard conceded that he didn't know.
Then came this frank admission: "Yeah, well, that — I mean, I don't know. I mean, I must confess, Neil, I know this meeting is taking place and it's fine that it's taking place, but it's not a meeting that I requested and it's not a meeting that I have been directly involved in the planning for."
Word from the AFL is that when Pyne and Brandis turned up like looking like Laurel and Hardy, all they could do was produce a single page with some pathetic dot points. And not even on official letterhead.
Meanwhile, across town in Melbourne the same day, Aged and Community Care Victoria was having its annual state congress. According to sources from the association, Pyne did manage to make a brief appearance at the congress but spent most of the time complaining about not having much time because he had to go beat up the AFL.
Which event do you think might have been the more important given that Pyne is actually the Minister for Ageing?
The faux brawl with the AFL has been nothing but a political distraction from the start, cooked up by the same amateurs who have been running around for 10 years promising to deliver the prime ministership to Costello. No wonder Costello has never looked further away from the Lodge.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/attack-on-afl-drugs-policy-a-joke/2007/05/26/1179601730260.html
And dear Chris is the minister who whined a couple of weeks ago that he was too young to be Minister of the Aging. Nice way to treat your constituents, mate. Been taking a leaf out of Julie's book?
ssstone said:
I know you didn't mention me but I think the appendage comment was a disgrace and am very disappointed that the person I'll probably vote for could utter such condescending words.
RemoteTiger said:
I probably couldn't run the business Therese does either but I chose to be a stay at home Mum rather than go out to work. Bringing up my kids and being there for them was way more important than money or personal success to me. I feel I contributed to our relationship in a very positive way and wouldn't change things if I had my time over.
Anduril said:
Wow that sounds so patronising.
Hmm, the rabid News Ltd press have claimed a scalp, forcing a successful business woman to sell the Australian operations of a business she built from the ground purely because she is married to their political nemesis. Chardonnay-toasting and bum-patting all round for the attack dogs.
ssstone said:
I'm not a fan of Rudd, SSStone. I don't like most of what he does or says. Has to be a better alternative to johhny though.
Liverpool said:mld said:
Tastes good too, MLD
But seriously, nobody FORCED her.....if she was doing the right thing, then her business would never have been a problem, would it?
Are you seriously suggesting that every CEO of a business that has underpaid staff should resign rather than simply deal with the consequences of the law? Never picked you as a lefty.
mld said:Liverpool said:mld said:
Tastes good too, MLD
But seriously, nobody FORCED her.....if she was doing the right thing, then her business would never have been a problem, would it?
Are you seriously suggesting that every CEO of a business that has underpaid staff should resign rather than simply deal with the consequences of the law? Never picked you as a lefty.
Perhaps only if they lead, or are married to a leader of a major Australian Political Party.
