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Talking Politics
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Liverpool said:
M'Fufu showed you Liverpoolism in practise. Your lack of distinction between deserving and earning showed that you wouldn't have a clue WTF to do with your mudcake if there was a starving, dieing little girl in front of you.
If you had half a clue as to what was the right thing to do in that situation (laughing at and abusing her certainly wouldn't be it), you may have 'earned' the oxygen you're breathing...Alas...
Nice labeling there. You deserve contempt.Liverpool said:
Curtis E Bear said:
Talk all you like about mudcakes and Ethiopian girls....the fact of the matter is, that the discussion wasn't originally about African aid, nor mudcakes and pies....but simply, that if rich people gather a large fortune, no matter how big, and no matter how they got it (whether they earnt it themselves, or inherited it, or won it, etc)....it is THEIR money to do what they like with it.
NOBODY should sit there, with their hands out, expecting a free ride. on the coat-tails of others, due to some notion of "taxing to the eyeballs" people out there lucky enough, fortunate enough, or through hard work, who have been able to accumulate enough money to buy a small island.
Good on them, I say! :clap
Do some of these people who have a large fortune DESERVE their large fortune?
Maybe not...some inherit it, and not worked a day in their life...but again...that's the luck of the draw...good on them.
Have all of these people EARNT their fortune?
Again...probably not...some have, due to clever investing, or from a skill that is popular, been able to rake in a fortune.
Luck of the draw.
For your fictitious Ethiopian girl, dying in Africa....does she DESERVE to be in the predicament she is in?
No, probably not...but that's the luck of the draw.
Has she EARNT the position she in?
Again...probably not.
Now should the rich people help the poor people out?
Morally, it would be a nice thing to do.
However, they shouldn't HAVE to, if they don't want to either.
It isn't their obligation....especially, in your case, where the people in Ethiopia, have had famine for a long period now, yet still these adults produce offspring in such dire circumstances (which shows how irresponsible they are to begin with)....while the governments in many of these African countries are fighting with rebel forces and the like, spending millions on weapons.
Many people, whether they are rich or poor, probably don't deserve the position they are in, and many have had no choice as to the position they are in...and maybe that's not fair....but that's life Curtis.
We don't always get what we deserve.....but that is still no excuse for jealousy and envy towards people lucky enough to have a couple of mansions and a private jet, more than you or I.
P.S:
Plus. it seems one of your favourite people is one of the "big fat capitalists" you despise:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/bracks-a-capitalist-tattersalls-told/2007/05/10/1178390469704.html
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My big problem with the way the system works is that its geared to enable the rich to become very rich. In our system its extremely difficult to accumulate a small fortune from nothing. However once you are able to do that, through a combination of hard work, nouse, luck and timing, its extremely easy to turn that small fortune into a big one, no work, nouse, luck or timing required. Just kick back and coast along on tax breaks, inside info and running, elite networks, etc.
That’s what really *smile* me, the value or belief that money is validation. Liverpool would, for example, look at Linsay Fox’s spoilt, idle, super rich daughter and say ‘good on her’, but look at a hardworking contractor whose business is decimated by inside contract info, a client restructuring offshore to dodge payment or whatever and say, ‘stiff cheddar’. Even if he says he wouldn’t say that, if you extend the logic of the position he’s taken, that’s the logical conclusion.
I’ve detailed how this occurs in past discussions. I’d like to see more rich and less super rich people.
That’s what really *smile* me, the value or belief that money is validation. Liverpool would, for example, look at Linsay Fox’s spoilt, idle, super rich daughter and say ‘good on her’, but look at a hardworking contractor whose business is decimated by inside contract info, a client restructuring offshore to dodge payment or whatever and say, ‘stiff cheddar’. Even if he says he wouldn’t say that, if you extend the logic of the position he’s taken, that’s the logical conclusion.
I’ve detailed how this occurs in past discussions. I’d like to see more rich and less super rich people.
tigersnake said:
And what is wrong with that?
I'd rather work-hard/nouse/luck/timing and get my small fortune, and kick back making my second fortune....rather than rely on work-hard/nouse/luck/timing forever.
I think out of the two scenarios, most people would aspire for the first one.
tigersnake said:
Yes, I would say "good on her".
I don't know the girl, she hasn't done anything against me, and so if her old man wants to provide her something extravagant from the money he has built, by driving a cart around in the 1960 delivering soft-drink....then I say "good on her".
Why should I be bitter and twisted against someone, just because they are wealthy, or were lucky enough to be born into a wealthy family?
And as for the hard-working contractor who has been "decimated"...well, that's business, and something like that could have easily happened to Lindsay Fox when he had his one and only truck.
What sh!ts me about society today, is that its "everyone elses fault"...and everyone should pay for it.
Whether its bludgers sitting at home on the dole playing Playstation and not even attempting to get a job......or African nations spending millions on weapons and war while we have commercials on TV about the 'poor African kids who need your money'.....whether its people trying to sue others over something petty and pedantic to get a pay day.....or whether its people who haven't got millions of dollars themselves, so go around with the belief that "if I haven't got millions and can't give my daughter a penthouse for her birthday, then no other bastard should be allowed to either, its all not fair! Regulate, regulate, tax, tax, tax!"
If people get rich and then super rich and then buy themselves a trip into outer space or ride a hot air balloon around the world 2,000 times to get their name in to the Guinness Book of World Records...then so be it, and GOOD ON THEM!
Just wish people would stop being so jealous, bitter, and twisted about what they haven't got and what others do have.
Go down to the local lotto agency and spend $5.95 or whatever it is for Tatts this Saturday night, and YOU might be able to join the elite :hihi......I'm sure your perspective if you had $22mill in the bank would slightly change, I'm tipping.
And have you got your health?
Your health is worth more than all the $$$ in the world anyway.
Is the ALP now the political arm of the Scientology movement? ???
Both seem to be progressing, by relying on the recruitment of celebrities to gain votes and support. :
All show, no substance...
Weatherman Rudd's latest star recruit
May 22, 2007 - 6:46AM
ABC television's Sydney weatherman, Mike Bailey, is set to become Labor's latest star recruit to contest this year's federal election.
Mr Bailey will challenge Employment and Workplace Relations Minister Joe Hockey for his seat of North Sydney once endorsed by the party's national executive in the next few weeks.
He will be the second candidate from the public broadcaster following Maxine McKew's recruitment to take on Prime Minister John Howard in his Sydney seat of Bennelong.
A spokesman for Kevin Rudd said the opposition leader "would love to have Mike Bailey as part of the campaign team".
Mr Hockey won the seat in 1996 and holds it by a margin of 10 per cent.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/weatherman-rudds-latest-star-recruit/2007/05/22/1179601362532.html
So who have they got so far...let's see...Peter Garrett...Maxine McKew...Nicole Cornes (Graham Cornes' wife)...now Mike Bailey.
I'm sure there are others I have missed?
Both seem to be progressing, by relying on the recruitment of celebrities to gain votes and support. :
All show, no substance...
Weatherman Rudd's latest star recruit
May 22, 2007 - 6:46AM
ABC television's Sydney weatherman, Mike Bailey, is set to become Labor's latest star recruit to contest this year's federal election.
Mr Bailey will challenge Employment and Workplace Relations Minister Joe Hockey for his seat of North Sydney once endorsed by the party's national executive in the next few weeks.
He will be the second candidate from the public broadcaster following Maxine McKew's recruitment to take on Prime Minister John Howard in his Sydney seat of Bennelong.
A spokesman for Kevin Rudd said the opposition leader "would love to have Mike Bailey as part of the campaign team".
Mr Hockey won the seat in 1996 and holds it by a margin of 10 per cent.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/weatherman-rudds-latest-star-recruit/2007/05/22/1179601362532.html
So who have they got so far...let's see...Peter Garrett...Maxine McKew...Nicole Cornes (Graham Cornes' wife)...now Mike Bailey.
I'm sure there are others I have missed?
This concept is hardly the domain of the left, Liverpool.
the Libs snagged Turnbull, in Victoria they got Ian Cover. John Schumann of Redgum ran as a Democrat against Downer in Mayo.
the Libs snagged Turnbull, in Victoria they got Ian Cover. John Schumann of Redgum ran as a Democrat against Downer in Mayo.
I don't think the names you mentioned are as "household" known, as the ALP have recruited this time round.
Also, they seem to have so many at once.....and are placing them in seats to try and cause an upset, which to me, wreaks of lack of policies that are good enough for the public to vote for on their own.
They seem to be not trying to sell their policies, but the 'celebrity' instead....as a last desperate attempt to win seats.
Surprised Ediie McEverywhere hasn't been recruited to run for the seat that contains Collingwood... :
Also, they seem to have so many at once.....and are placing them in seats to try and cause an upset, which to me, wreaks of lack of policies that are good enough for the public to vote for on their own.
They seem to be not trying to sell their policies, but the 'celebrity' instead....as a last desperate attempt to win seats.
Surprised Ediie McEverywhere hasn't been recruited to run for the seat that contains Collingwood... :
Liverpool said:I don't think the names you mentioned are as "household" known, as the ALP have recruited this time round.
Also, they seem to have so many at once.....and are placing them in seats to try and cause an upset, which to me, wreaks of lack of policies that are good enough for the public to vote for on their own.
They seem to be not trying to sell their policies, but the 'celebrity' instead....as a last desperate attempt to win seats.
Surprised Ediie McEverywhere hasn't been recruited to run for the seat that contains Collingwood... :
Gee, I just thought of a couple off the top of my head. Cover is a nationwide media figure, Schumann was a national figure too, and Turnbull ran the republican campaign.
Since Labor have such poor policies, it is interesting to note the extent to which the government adopted variants of those policies in the budget and the changes to the IR reforms formerly known as WorkChoices.
I would also like to know why figures known to the public in other roles should be considered unfit to run for public office when parties are incresingly a mono-culture of industrial relations lawyers and union officials.
I would also like to know why figures known to the public in other roles should be considered unfit to run for public office when parties are incresingly a mono-culture of industrial relations lawyers and union officials.
Tiger Attack said:Liverpool said:I don't think the names you mentioned are as "household" known, as the ALP have recruited this time round.
Also, they seem to have so many at once.....and are placing them in seats to try and cause an upset, which to me, wreaks of lack of policies that are good enough for the public to vote for on their own.
They seem to be not trying to sell their policies, but the 'celebrity' instead....as a last desperate attempt to win seats.
Surprised Ediie McEverywhere hasn't been recruited to run for the seat that contains Collingwood... :
Gee, I just thought of a couple off the top of my head. Cover is a nationwide media figure, Schumann was a national figure too, and Turnbull ran the republican campaign.
And as less than 8% of the TV Viewing audience watch the ABC News, Weather and Current Affairs programs I feel the names of Bailey and McKew may not be as well known as all are assuming.................
ssstone said:
Thanks Stoneman!
Gee, surprise, surprise....not one post about Ruddy's missus doing the opposite to what her husband is preaching to us all, by placing her employee on individual contracts..... :hihi
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21784512-661,00.html
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/rudds-wife-in-ir-strife/2007/05/24/1179601531906.html
Now the question should be...if the workers are happy under these new individual contracts, then that is an affirmation towards the new workplace reforms.
If the workers are not happy, then she is taking away the conditions that her husband is bidding to put back in.
She could also have been breaking the new laws.
Seeing that Ruddy agreed with Howard's $10-billion water plan for the Murray-Darling, what the hell is Bracks on about?
http://www.smh.com.au/news/drought/howard-government-twofaced-bracks/2007/05/23/1179601447552.html
He calls Howard "two faced", yet Kevin Rudd, the federal ALP leader agrees with Howard's plan:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/rudd-backs-howards-water-plan/2007/01/25/1169594432300.html
It's about time Bracks got his act together....now where's that ineptness thread....
Liverpool said:
Well that is a tricky one for the Libs Livers as they can't attack her too much as it will appear to be an attack on their own Work Choices laws. They are better off argueing that the "Rudds' have seen the light and embraced the Libs laws.
