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tigersnake said:
OK sorry about the deleted comment poppa x, but read the bloody posts before you go off half cocked, it drives me nuts.

I do read the posts - and I assure you I'm not half cocked. probably double that quantity.
 
poppa x said:
I've had enough.  You're personal abuse has gone on long enough.

I've had more than enough of all of the personal abuse and insults.  Several posters have gone on too long, ignoring previous warnings along the way.  Funny how politics and religion brings out the worst in people on this site.

Be prepared to lose posts if they are personal rather than discussing the actual topic. :mad:
 
Ahh Politics and religion, the 2 greatest causes of war throughout history.

Always brought up to never discuss these subjects at parties or with others.

Keep ones views on these subjects too oneself, brainwash your kids if you like, but nothing ever comes from political or religious debates except anger.

Religion .......... well, its important to some and not so important or even irrelevant to others so why bother to discuss or even worse try an impose religious beliefs or argue over such things. Absolute no no a waste of time and no merit in it. Will also bring out political persuasions regardless with left and right points of view just adding fuel to the fire.

Politics....... all Politicians are scheisters, charletans and most of all the greatest lying, two faced, cretin duds and are all as bad as each other so why worry bout them.

Easy to get worked up over these subjects but whats the point i say, ive got more pressing concerns about the tigers getting rid of duds now that is an issue that really impacts on all tiger fans !!!!!!!!!!! ;)


BEHAVE EVERYONE........................ TA ;D


Thinx some PRE'rs may need one o these. :grouphug


God this sunny weather has me feelin a little fuzzy and nice today................... best go back to the dark room and reajust my attitude. :duh
 
poppa x said:
I wasn't saying you don't think, I was saying Razors post didn't seem to make you think. You just ignored it.

I find Razors posts contain far too many words. I am a busy man with a business to run and I will only respond to shortish comments. I don't have all day to read Razors many points of view. Sorry but that's the way things have to be.
It was perfectly accessible. He wrote all that he needed to in as few and simplest terms possible. I found it quite informative and persuasive, but having said that, I was already leaning towards cleaner power. You should give it a read (if you haven't yet), poppadom.
 
Curtis E Bear said:
poppa x said:
I wasn't saying you don't think, I was saying Razors post didn't seem to make you think.  You just ignored it.

I find Razors posts contain far too many words.  I am a busy man with a business to run and I will only respond to shortish comments.  I don't have all day to read Razors many points of view. Sorry but that's the way things have to be.
It was perfectly accessible. He wrote all that he needed to in as few and simplest terms possible. I found it quite informative and persuasive, but having said that, I was already leaning towards cleaner power. You should give it a read (if you haven't yet), poppadom.

I didn't think it possible that an issue other than Ray Hall required as many words. But apparently the issue of nuclear power is as explosive as having a crack at Big Ray for letting his opponent kick a bag.. I know it's hard to believe.
 
Curtis E Bear said:
Oh, c'mon, poopa. You could've read it by now. I'm timing your time online.  ;D

I restrict my time to those topics/posters who interest me and perhaps agree with me. They know who they are.
 
poppa x said:
I restrict my time to those topics/posters who interest me and perhaps agree with me.  They know who they are.

That's me at the moment. :-*
 
poppa x said:
I restrict my time to those topics/posters who interest me and perhaps agree with me. They know who they are.
Rayzor agrees with you on the tigers (except one special player). His obsession with said special player is 'interesting', wouldn't you say?

Or do you mean they agree with you on the topic at hand - and to what degree does one have to agree with you to warrant your attention? Entirely? In general?
 
RemoteTiger said:
Liverpool - that proves that the ALP is no better than what John Howard is doing now - they like him divided the elctorate to suit themselves to conqueor that same electorate at the ballot box.
Is this a flaw in our democracy?
Is it a flaw in two-party system? - where winning or maintaining power is more important than what is good for the nation!
IMO what Australia needs right now is a leader who stands up for the nation first and his/her political party second - unfortunately the machinery of government does not allow this. And Australian political history is littered with leaders who tried to do this but were ousted by their own party - John Gorton (over the nationalising of Banks - he finished up voting himself out because of the divide it caused within the Liberal Party which could have cost it Government) - Simon Crean (Tried to decrease the Labor Party's reliance on Unions - this was seen as turning your back on the grass roots of the party and Beasley's hench men made sure everything Crean tried to introduce as a Labor leader was squashed - they eventually got him and he was replaced by Mark Latham a "fall-guy" for the train wreck of an election that was looming thus leaving a Labor Party Leadership vacuum for big Kim to walk back into. IMO the Australia would have been a better place had Crean been successful - but traditionalists had to put the party/unions first)
We as a people of a nation lose - because for the political parties it is all about power - how to spin it through a bias press to hoodwink the voter to vote for you! Meanwhile the nation continues to struggle through its existence never realising its true abilities.
Little Johnny is just as bad as morgue assistant Paul who was just as bad as flashy Bob who was up to the same tricks as farmer Mal.
Don't we as a people of what should be a great nation deserve better from our leaders - from our Governments - from our political parties?

I don't disagree with what you've said....but at the end of the day, it's up to us, as individuals, to decide whether the ALP agenda to gain power, is more beneficial to us, than the Libs agenda to maintain power.
Which party's selfishness and power-hungry agenda is best for YOU, the voter?
That's all it comes down to, and what politics is all about.

Anduril said:
It was the Liberal govt who gave the Sheik a visa in the first place, allowed him entry into Australia. So all are to blame.

It's easy to kick someone out who has a visa and is in the country though.
It's a bit harder to kick them out when a certain government gives him permanent-residency and ultimately, Australian citizenship! :-X

Sorry Anduril, but this one is on Labor's head.

It was a bit hot in the kitchen for the former PM today it seems too.... :hihi


Keating silent on sheik

October 29, 2006 11:00pm
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FORMER prime minister Paul Keating has refused to answer journalists' questions about his role when in government to grant permanent residency to controversial Sheik Taj Aldin Alhilali.
Sheik Alhilali has been under pressure after suggesting in a sermon that immodestly dressed women invite sexual assault.
Mr Keating reportedly lobbied his Labor colleagues in the late 1980s to ensure Sheik Alhilali was not deported and granted him permanent residency when he was acting prime minister in 1990.
After giving a speech to the NSW Local Government Association at Leura in the Blue Mountains today, Mr Keating was chased by a media scrum wanting comments on his views on the sheik.
The former prime minister was in combative form and told reporters to "nick off".
"I will not be harassed by journalists, even by pretty ones like you," Mr Keating told one female reporter.


poppa x said:
I restrict my time to those topics/posters who interest me and perhaps agree with me. They know who they are.

I'm with you PoppaX! :clap :clap :clap
 
tigersnake said:
Like I said earlier, if it costs roughly $10-20K for enough solar panels to easily power a normal house, how many houses could you power with solar before you reached the cost of a nuclear plant? And even if the nuclear is cheaper, although it seems it isn’t, the cost of pollution would make it worth going solar anyway.

Seems to me the sensible thing would be to phase out dirty coal and move to clean solar. Not move from one dirty fuel to another.

Absolutely TS on your last comment. Solar Photovoltaic (PV) and Geo-thermal Solar (GT) are different technologies. Without going into technical detail, GT is ideal for large scale, mass consumer projects and shows the most potential to be around the same cost as coal (as an earlier article I posted quoting the CSIRO detailed), PV is ATM more suited to individual or small community power production and off-grid situations.

Your question regarding comparitive cost of PV or GT as opposed to nuclear is difficult to answer for a variety of reasons - probably the most pertinent of them being that we have no idea how much it costs to decomission and clean up a nuclear power station - nobody has ever done it properly. The latest estimate from the UK is that it will cost them around AU$160 billion - though they have revised this estimate upwards several times already and are still claiming there are significant weaknesses in their costing which don't account for many contingencies.

That's in todays dollars, so you can get some idea of what the cost would be once we needed to do it...it's a lot of money and obviously because it's never been done, it's massively underestimated or not taken into account when the pro-nuke lobby in shiny suits give their spiel. Suffice it to say that countries who adopted nuclear back in the 50's and later decades have effectively passed on a massive headache and massive cost to future generations. We already have that headache and cost - Howard wants to significantly compound the problem by creating more headaches and cost for short term political gain.

Britain is still talking about deep burying their nuclear waste in "geologically suitable areas" (have been for three decades)...but the reality is that due to the expense, lack of suitable sites, lack of political will etc, all the waste they've generated so far has been shallow buried or put in a variety of temporary storage facilities. They've been in the game for a long time and still have bugger all genuine solutions. Fortunately we didn;t adopt nuclear on the same scale.

ATM in Britain, mass technical problems with numerous of their reactors (including forced total shutdown) mean they face imminent power shortages, dramatically increased electricity costs...and that's without including the massive problems outlined earlier both in this post and previous ones.

Sweden has a state of the art waste disposal system where they've spent billions drilling a massive storage facility into under-sea bedrock - like I said before, they're the world leaders in responsible nuclear management, yet, despite their past massive investment in doing things properly, they're moving away from nuclear as fast as they can with massive investment in renewables.

poppa x said:
Curtis E Bear said:
Oh, c'mon, poopa. You could've read it by now. I'm timing your time online. ;D

I restrict my time to those topics/posters who interest me and perhaps agree with me. They know who they are.

Well...how about that huh?

Whatever happened to:

poppa x said:
Welcome back livers. Ii's been mighty lonely defending the righteous path of enlightenment over the past week. Your return means I can declare my first innings closed. Return to the bar and tell all my mates how well I played. "Ya shoulda seen the six I smashed off Razor boys. It was huge".

I 'll be back for my second dig in a day or two.

And Rayzor? You are so wrong about nuclear power.
It's not perfect (nothing is) but it's sh*tloads cleaner and safer than coal.

Is your "second dig" to complain that I used too much detail (despite it being barely the tip of the iceberg) in disproving your assertions? Lucky I didn't bother including the half a dozen supporting evidence references for you to read wasn't it?

You're going to prove I'm "so wrong" by claiming that now you suddenly only debate with people you find interesting? Losing doesn't interest you and you won't honourably come out and say it?

Make a case for having no time - while you post numerous times for the day and while you have avoided tackling a single point I've raised?

'He wrote too many words in the process of proving me wrong' is hardly a great position to argue you 'didn't lose' from poppa...let alone your 'hitting sixes' analogy.

How do you manage to get through the average newspaper article? Read a book? Take in any written instructions?
 
poppa x said:
I restrict my time to those topics/posters who interest me and perhaps agree with me. 

You've summed up the problem of modern day politics.. Every one believes their way is the right way, and no one wants to compromise, and bring differing thoughts to the table.

And people wonder why satisfaction levels with politicians are at their lowest.
 
Thanks Razor for all the facts and figures relating to nuclear energy. It has certainly helped clarify things for me. Let's hope some common sense prevails in Canberra and Solar, geothermal and possibly hydrogen are embraced as we wean ourselves off cheap but dirty coal.

I'm hoping that nanotechnology will have some of the answers to our dependence on oil for plastics, textiles, chemicals etc.

Does anyone have thoughts on ethanol and other biofuels as replacements for petrol?

I can't believe I learn so much from a Football website....but then again we all barrack for the mighty Tigers.
 
happytige said:
Thanks Razor for all the facts and figures relating to nuclear energy.  It has certainly helped clarify things for me.  Let's hope some common sense prevails in Canberra and Solar, geothermal and possibly hydrogen  are embraced as we wean ourselves off cheap but dirty coal.

I'm hoping that nanotechnology will have some of the answers to our dependence on oil for plastics, textiles, chemicals etc.   

Does anyone have thoughts on ethanol and other biofuels as replacements for petrol?

I can't believe I learn so much from a Football website....but then again we all barrack for the mighty Tigers.

Yeah Razor has put up some good stuff.  Decent political discussion has had its moments on PRE, but I think I'll give up on it.  The right wingers are just way too thinskinned and blinkered.  The minute they start losing the argument because of unfair evil nasty lefty tactics like evidence and logic they get all precious and start sooking.  I've been called names, 'tool of the week' was the most recent one from memory, but its water off a ducks back.  Spirited debate can get a bit heated at times, it should be no big deal.

Poppa's comment above that he'll only read posts he agrees with really sums up the right for me.

If Poppa and Chelsea ever spent christmas at my family they'd go into anopholactic shock.
 
tigersnake said:
Yeah Razor has put up some good stuff.  Decent political discussion has had its moments on PRE, but I think I'll give up on it.  The right wingers are just way too thinskinned and blinkered.  The minute they start losing the argument because of unfair evil nasty lefty tactics like evidence and logic they get all precious and start sooking.  I've been called names, 'tool of the week' was the most recent one from memory, but its water off a ducks back.  Spirited debate can get a bit heated at times, it should be no big deal.
Poppa's comment above that he'll only read posts he agrees with really sums up the right for me.
If Poppa and Chelsea ever spent christmas at my family they'd go into anopholactic shock.

...and I don't even get an invite to your Christmas?
Mean left bastard! :hihi
Just joking! ;D
I'm sure your family would have LOVED me too! :hearton

Political views are different for everyone.
It seems you have problems with the right-wingers on here Tigersnake?
Well, I don't care if people vote Labor, or the Libs, or what they do, but I think a thread like this one, people should be allowed to express their opinions on a range of political issues, without their views being being labelled "misguided" and then a range of words straight out of the "Thesaurus of Personal Insults Volume 1".
That's the main problem I have with the left-wingers so far on this forum.
I don't think the right-wingers are sooks, or thin-skinned, or they would be continually using the 'report to moderator' button...(I know I have never used this facility).
But lets be honest....political debating may be heated, may be emotional, may be spirited, as you said...but I think we ALL should have the maturity to show each other a common courtesy, whatever our views are.

Does that sound fair to all?
 
Liverpool said:
But lets be honest....political debating may be heated, may be emotional, may be spirited, as you said...but I think we ALL should have the maturity to show each other a common courtesy, whatever our views are.

Does that sound fair to all?

Yep - spot on - and I wish our leaders and politicians could show us common courtesy too - instead of treating us voters as fools..........
 
I agree Liverpool, point I'm making is that I have done that. I admit there's times I've let loose with a smart arse comment here and there, pretty harmless stuff and nothing I wouldn't say t a friend or family member during a spirited debate, hence the christmas comment.

It just seems to me that as soon as the evidence presented by say, me or Razor, starts to get a bit hard for the opposition, say, you, chelasea and Poppa, to deal with, suddenly the focus goes onto being all indignant at a supposedly personally insulting post, that actually isn't.
 
Also said this a million times Liverpool, if someone has views that are based on little or no understanding of the issues, they are misguided. Full stop.