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That would be set by parliament.

The NACC is not the organisation it should be, deliberately less effective than it should be. Good that the current government finally brought in a federal anti-corruption commission but unfortunately, and quite predictably, they knobbled it at birth.

Then again, the public servants can always cite the fact that they were instructed to introduce this scheme by the government of the day, so, really, it is the ministers and the members of that government who should be facing any consequences. All the talk of public servants having to face the music on Robodebt is a sideshow, it is the government which was responsible for this horrible scheme and they who should face the consequences.

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Haaarrrgh. Now there's a scenario I'd just love to see. Politicians and political parties setting up any sort of system where they could ever be held accountable for anything more serious than an unfortunate wet fart. Their standards n systems are so loose even a volcanic eruption could pass through without touching the sides.
 
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I had a read of respected Michael Warners story about Dan Andrews. Even the biggest supporters of Dan Andrews with some common sense would be starting to question what has he got to hide. Also why did he take 4 minutes to call 000? Well after others who have called 000.
 
Unfortunately this will go nowehere.There is little doubt the police did not follow procedure at the time and Andrews did the wrong thing by not hanging around, removing the car from the scene etc etc. You wonder why you would leave the scene if you had done nothing wrong and the cyclist had hit you? Why did it take a month to be interviewed? I have been involved in an accident with a couple of cars and police breath test and interviewed both drivers, spoke to passengers, witnesses etc. And no one was injured enough to go to hospital in that accident. It is no secret they did not follow procedure.

But I very much doubt they will be able to prove anything 11 years on. Especially against no stick Dan.
 
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Mick Warner really has fallen from grace after trying to expose the AFL.
 
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I had a read of respected Michael Warners story about Dan Andrews. Even the biggest supporters of Dan Andrews with some common sense would be starting to question what has he got to hide. Also why did he take 4 minutes to call 000? Well after others who have called 000.

Nah just flogging a deadhorse which has been revived temporarily due to his Aust. Day honours. The obsession with him by some elements of the right wing media is funny.
 
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Nah just flogging a deadhorse which has been revived temporarily due to his Aust. Day honours. The obsession with him by some elements of the right wing media is funny.
So what has he to hide? You didn’t read it no doubt. It’s a Supreme Court judgement he is fighting.
 
I can’t read that story because it is behind the Murdoch paywall and I am not giving him one cent of my money.

Who has he resisted giving the phone records to?
Daniel Andrews refused to be drawn on why he is resisting a Supreme Court order to hand over his mobile phone records from the day of a near-fatal 2013 car crash with a teenage cyclist.
 
Daniel Andrews refused to be drawn on why he is resisting a Supreme Court order to hand over his mobile phone records from the day of a near-fatal 2013 car crash with a teenage cyclist.
Why is the Supreme Court requesting it from him? If there was a police investigation or such thing then law enforcement can get the information from the provider?
What is actually being investigated by whom ?
 
Why is the Supreme Court requesting it from him? If there was a police investigation or such thing then law enforcement can get the information from the provider?
What is actually being investigated by whom ?
Lawyers for Ryan Meuleman, who was 15 when he was struck by the Andrews’ family SUV in Blairgowrie, are seeking to establish who Mr Andrews spoke to – and when – amid concerns of interference in the collision’s aftermath.

Victoria Police Assistant Commissioner Brett Curran, Mr Andrews’ chief of staff at the time of the incident, has declined to clarify if he received a call from the then-opposition leader from the crash scene.

Police documents show Mr Andrews did not call triple-0 until 1.10pm on January 7, 2013.

The crash is estimated to have happened four minutes earlier, at 1.06pm.

Paramedics’ records reveal that a triple-0 operator had already notified Ambulance Victoria of the emergency at 1.08pm after being alerted by a call from a nearby resident.

Former Assistant Commissioner for Traffic and Operations Raymond Shuey estimated it would have taken up to a minute for the triple-0 operator to process the notification through to Ambulance Victoria.

Dr Shuey said there was likely to have been another minute’s lag between the crash and the call being made. So he estimated the collision probably happened at 1.06pm.

Ryan Meuleman after the near-fatal crash.

Ryan Meuleman after the near-fatal crash.
Dr Shuey, now an expert witness for the Meuleman family, asked: “What happened in those four missing minutes between the crash and Andrews’ call?”
In sworn statements to police, Mr Andrews and his wife Catherine, who was the driver, said he had “immediately” called triple-0 for an ambulance.

Mr Meuleman said: “A neighbour called the moment she heard the crash. So what was Andrews waiting for? What the hell was he doing in those four minutes?”

Mr Meuleman said the family had also obtained a statement from Ridley St resident Brad Morgan, who was in his front yard when the crash occurred, saying: “I heard the squeal of tyres then an almighty bang, followed by screams of pain.”
 
Lawyers for Ryan Meuleman, who was 15 when he was struck by the Andrews’ family SUV in Blairgowrie, are seeking to establish who Mr Andrews spoke to – and when – amid concerns of interference in the collision’s aftermath.

Victoria Police Assistant Commissioner Brett Curran, Mr Andrews’ chief of staff at the time of the incident, has declined to clarify if he received a call from the then-opposition leader from the crash scene.

Police documents show Mr Andrews did not call triple-0 until 1.10pm on January 7, 2013.

The crash is estimated to have happened four minutes earlier, at 1.06pm.

Paramedics’ records reveal that a triple-0 operator had already notified Ambulance Victoria of the emergency at 1.08pm after being alerted by a call from a nearby resident.

Former Assistant Commissioner for Traffic and Operations Raymond Shuey estimated it would have taken up to a minute for the triple-0 operator to process the notification through to Ambulance Victoria.

Dr Shuey said there was likely to have been another minute’s lag between the crash and the call being made. So he estimated the collision probably happened at 1.06pm.

Ryan Meuleman after the near-fatal crash.

Ryan Meuleman after the near-fatal crash.
Dr Shuey, now an expert witness for the Meuleman family, asked: “What happened in those four missing minutes between the crash and Andrews’ call?”
In sworn statements to police, Mr Andrews and his wife Catherine, who was the driver, said he had “immediately” called triple-0 for an ambulance.

Mr Meuleman said: “A neighbour called the moment she heard the crash. So what was Andrews waiting for? What the hell was he doing in those four minutes?”

Mr Meuleman said the family had also obtained a statement from Ridley St resident Brad Morgan, who was in his front yard when the crash occurred, saying: “I heard the squeal of tyres then an almighty bang, followed by screams of pain.”
This doesn’t say anything about the Supreme Court, it is the lawyers.
Lawyers don’t carry out investigations, police and courts do.
If you read lots of threads on this site you will see I am no apologist for Dan Andrews but I am not sure we should expect someone to release anything to some firm of lawyers on a matter that has been investigated already.
If it is police or a court that is a totally different matter.
 
Setka controls the Labor govrnment according to you, you must be surprised they haven't rubber stamped this already Bengals.
From what I saw on the news, it showed that the union had voted and accepted the new deal of 20% over 4 years. So that big fat pay rise will flow into every construction contract that has CFMEU workers on it as soon as it's ratified by the department that checks the awards are legal. Every unfinished and unstarted big build job just got a hell of a lot more expensive.
 
Setka controls the Labor govrnment according to you, you must be surprised they haven't rubber stamped this already Bengals.
Get with the program Antman,CFMEU say jump and all the Labor departments say how high.
So the lollipop holders go from 200k a year to 240k...
Victoria the state that keeps on giving:bash
 
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Get with the program Antman,CFMEU say jump and all the Labor departments say how high.
So the lollipop holders go from 200k a year to 240k...
Victoria the state that keeps on giving:bash

Should be a royal commision, with a heap of barristers going from $1m a year to $2m a year.

It would only take 5 years, and would surely result in someone getting a huge payout to
Spend more time with family
 
Get with the program Antman,CFMEU say jump and all the Labor departments say how high.
So the lollipop holders go from 200k a year to 240k...
Victoria the state that keeps on giving:bash
I am no CFMEU fan, far from it, but lets put this into context.

20% over 4 years is about 4.7% a year compounded. As an ambit claim that is pretty standard for what we are seeing in all the Union claims now given the inflation rate. The Nurses union, Police, ambos are all asking for more when you factor in all the other stuff included. The nurses union EBA that they just voted down was more than that.

There are of course arguments about worth of each of those but the claim is not an unusually excessive one as an initial ambit claim.

Dan Andrews was initially supported by 3 major unions. The ANMF (nurses), the Firies union and the CFMEU. He delivered all the changes related to the CFA to the Firies and Lisa Fitzpatrick of the ANMF was colloquially known as the deputy premier behind closed doors when he was Premier. The new Premier has no such loyalties, their power is diminished.

The difference is also that the firies and nurses are public sector unions mainly so the government has a say in their EBAs but they don't in the construction industry.
 
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