Talking Politics

[DavidSSS]

This article explains why my ears continue to bleed night after night about how "Albanese has rejected long term tax relief". Sure.

PM’s poll slide in Dunkley ‘drove tax U-turn’: Libs

Internal Liberal research shows the prime minister’s support had plummeted in the marginal seat of Dunkley, where voters go to a byelection on March 2.

www.afr.com

Looks like the good people of Dunkley are not stupid enough to believe some of this crap peddled by the Libs. They are stating that Labor are against long term tax relief when all they did was reallocate it to a different segment of the electorate. They haven't stopped it.

Labor Ahead in Dunkley, Stage 3 Changes a Winner with Voters

Labor leads the Liberal Party 52% to 48% in the Dunkley two-party preferred vote ahead of the crucial March 2 byelection, according to new research from the Australia Institute.

australiainstitute.org.au

I just worked out the impact to me. The tax relief changes are actually marginally negative to me (not by much) but I think they are the right thing for the country so I'm ok with them. I'm still much better off with them than if they were completely rejected so I'm happy and I'm happy that the changes will now benefit more people.

Looks like Dunkley agree.

No idea how much the Libs have spent on their marketing campaign in Dunkley, looking at the volume of TV ads its easily in the millions of $'s. I haven't tested it, but just going off what I see, I suspect their ads are 10-1 compared to Labors and they are still losing.

If Labor win by 4% as the Australia Institute article says then that is a huge win for Labor. The previous member had enough of a following to get some extra votes and this has generally been a marginal seat with the Libs often winning it. Anything less than a 4% swing to the Libs is a loss for them.

As for the notion that the Libs are somehow getting their primary vote back, yeah, dream on. Both major parties are in deep trouble on their primary votes. The overall primary vote for the major parties has dropped substantially over the years and it is very difficult to see a situation where it recovers.

The days of a major party winning 50% of the primary vote are long in the past and not coming back.

DS

 

[Tigaman]

Good read this & the comments on left of page.

Imam who 'called the French flag satanic' is deported from the country

Mahjoub Mahjoubi, 52, was flown to North Africa just 12 hours after his arrest over sermons said to go against French values.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[RoarEmotion]

America at it again.

A hospital patient dropped frozen embryos onto a clinic floor. What followed has rocked IVF in the US

When a hospital patient wandered into a US fertility clinic and destroyed frozen embryos, they caused a chain of events that led to a major court ruling. It's left the IVF sector reeling, and patients in limbo.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Legends of 2017]

America at it again.

A hospital patient dropped frozen embryos onto a clinic floor. What followed has rocked IVF in the US

When a hospital patient wandered into a US fertility clinic and destroyed frozen embryos, they caused a chain of events that led to a major court ruling. It's left the IVF sector reeling, and patients in limbo.

www.abc.net.au

Did the patient that dropped the embryos get charged with manslaughter or murder then?

The US is broken and totally *smile* up

 

[Tigers of Old]

This is some top level racist *smile*.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1763060889765515496

 

[Baloo]

This is some top level racist *smile*.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1763060889765515496

More proof that the Libs are going down the MAGA path of politics. Their US RWNJ think tanks are getting the Libs to use the same tactics that have worked in the US. The way they used FUD and flat out lies during their successful No campaign just emboldened them and we're going to see more *smile* like this. Soon, like in the US, there will be no outrage over posts and statements like this, because we'll be used to them.

It will be interesting to see which, if any, media organisations call out Susssssan for the tweet.

 

[Ian4]

This is some top level racist *smile*.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1763060889765515496

I highly doubt the Libs were ever a chance of winning Dunkley. But that vile, racist pig, just lost them any chance they had. Close to a million people (so far) have viewed Ley's tweet and she is yet to take it down. what a political own goal.

More proof that the Libs are going down the MAGA path of politics. Their US RWNJ think tanks are getting the Libs to use the same tactics that have worked in the US. The way they used FUD and flat out lies during their successful No campaign just emboldened them and we're going to see more *smile* like this.

at some point the Libs are actually going to have to come out with policies... aren't they?

 

[Baloo]

I highly doubt the Libs were ever a chance of winning Dunkley. But that vile, racist pig, just lost them any chance they had. Close to a million people (so far) have viewed Ley's tweet and she is yet to take it down. what a political own goal.



at some point the Libs are actually going to have to come out with policies... aren't they?

They are the opposition, it's not their job to craft policies. Well, at least that's their stance when they are asked for details on their hairbrained proposals, like Nuclear.

 

[TigerMasochist]

This is some top level racist *smile*.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1763060889765515496

So what race of foreign crim is she having a crack at???? Oz is chocablock full of pretty much every race in the world so is it racist to have a crack at the foreign crims who got here by devious n underhanded methods instead of having a crack at our local legally imported crims?
Where's the racism? Are we talking about maybe white foreign crims, or black ones, maybe brown ones or even shock horror, could it possibly be yellow crims?

 

[Baloo]

Sshe was talking sspecifically about one of the refugeess who have been releassed from detention. One was arressted on these chargess in the Dunkley area. A few hourss later, the police withdrew the chargess due to misstaken identity.

"Australian women being assssaulted by foreign criminalss" iss a dog whisstling racisst sstatement no matter how you look at it

 

[TigerMasochist]

Sshe was talking sspecifically about one of the refugeess who have been releassed from detention. One was arressted on these chargess in the Dunkley area. A few hourss later, the police withdrew the chargess due to misstaken identity.

FMD. When did Richmond become next door to Frangers? Nowhere near the same electorate area Balooga.

 

[Baloo]

FMD. When did Richmond become next door to Frangers? Nowhere near the same electorate area Balooga.

??

 

[TigerMasochist]

??

Tonight's news that foreign refugee crim who was arrested for alleged sexual assault then just been released and apologised to by the Plod because they got the wrong bloke. That was in Richmond, a hell of a long way from the by election in Dunkley which is around Frankston up to Mornington way.

 

[mrposhman]

Tonight's news that foreign refugee crim who was arrested for alleged sexual assault then just been released and apologised to by the Plod because they got the wrong bloke. That was in Richmond, a hell of a long way from the by election in Dunkley which is around Frankston up to Mornington way.

It sure was a long way, the guy wasn't linked to Dunkley at all. The only link is Victoria and it was a crime. The Libs look like idiots over it because for some reason guilt doesn't need to come into it when its political. Dutton has blamed it on the police saying that they took their word for it, but the point is the guy hadn't actually been charged with anything, he'd been arrested (wrongfully as it turned out) but that didn't stop them preaching guilty because it suited their political campaign.

 

[tigersnake]

Dutton has blamed it on the police saying that they took their word for it,

They really have no shame. Willing to go off half-cocked and burn anyone if they think there's a cheap political point to be scored. None of it is new, but it seems to getting cruder and more extreme. I find it sad and concerning the extent to which the Coalition loves to feed and promote ignorance.

 

[Baloo]

Tonight's news that foreign refugee crim who was arrested for alleged sexual assault then just been released and apologised to by the Plod because they got the wrong bloke. That was in Richmond, a hell of a long way from the by election in Dunkley which is around Frankston up to Mornington way.

From where I sit, they are the same neighbourhood

 

[Brodders17]

It sure was a long way, the guy wasn't linked to Dunkley at all. The only link is Victoria and it was a crime. The Libs look like idiots over it because for some reason guilt doesn't need to come into it when its political. Dutton has blamed it on the police saying that they took their word for it, but the point is the guy hadn't actually been charged with anything, he'd been arrested (wrongfully as it turned out) but that didn't stop them preaching guilty because it suited their political campaign.

But you know there will be some folk who see the headline in the HUN and not the small correction who will believe the lies.
I guess the question for the Libs is how many extra votes will the lies get them?
And how many will it lose them?

 

[Sintiger]

Just turned on the ABC to see how the bi-election went and they interviewed Sussan Ley and then Richard Marles.
What a difference.
Marles was measured and precessional whilst Ley was dog whistling.
She was embarrassing.

 

[mrposhman]

Just turned on the ABC to see how the bi-election went and they interviewed Sussan Ley and then Richard Marles.
What a difference.
Marles was measured and precessional whilst Ley was dog whistling.
She was embarrassing.

I watched the same thing. Kept repeating a significant swing away from Albo etc, when Labor seems to have increased their 1st preference. The Greens haven't campaigned here, but regardless of how the Libs spin it, based on the amount of money they've sunk into this, if they don't get a significantly bigger swing than an average bye-election swing, then it can't be seen anything other than a failure.

They've been forced to change tact away from helping cost of living, I think because of Nathan Conroys insistence throughout his time as Major of Frankston to increase rates at the maximum allowable amount, hows that for "aiding cost of living".

You are right on Sussan Ley, constantly came back to crime and in particular those 149 people released by the High Court.

 

[Tigers of Old]

The Libs are starting to sound like the English cricket team when they lose. Lib-Ball.