Talking Politics

[Ian4]

Yeah but are those who are criticising going to have any idea what hosting games at the G or Marvell would have meant for AFL? Can’t stop playing games in Melb for 7 weeks.

Last Wednesday they had the state or origin at Accor stadium and Matildas v Ireland will be held 8 days later. That tells me FIFA can be flexible when they want to be. IMO we could have had footy at the MCG on Friday August 11 and still hosted the final 9 days later on August 20. One weekend free without footy at the MCG wouldn't have killed us.

The world record crowd for a women's sporting event is 90,000. We could have offered FIFA the inventive of a world record and showcase Melbourne to the best part of a billion viewers.

To me its sheer madness no attempt was made to navigate towards this achievable outcome.

 

[mrposhman]

I just linked an article about this in the world cup thread.- the main reason appears to be the requirement that a venue is empty for 2 weeks before the event and a week after.- 7 weeks all up.

Thats a pretty big stipulation for a stadium that is used so regularly. Much easier for Accor that isn't used as a home ground by any NRL / AFL teams.

I didn't realise that was a stipulation put forward by FIFA, if so, its fairly obvious why Marvel wasn't put forward, the $'s lost from not hosting AFL there would have dwarfed whatever they received from hosting WWC games there.

 

[BT Tiger]

Doesn't everything Andrews plan go over budget ,so it would be nothing new.
He had a 2.6 billion budget for the games ,but is now only going to spend 2 billion on other projects ,what happened to the other 600 million.
Andrews say's they are going to spend 1 billion on 1300 social housing ,that works out at over 700k a house or unit.
Also a lot of his new promised projects ,won't start till 2026,or if they ever do,tunnels are more important .

The Birmingham Commonwealth games cost 1.5 billion ,and was very successful,why does ours cost so much more ,and why has it blown out of budget so much .
I look forward to see how the Andrews government show the public how they come about there pricing .

What do you think happened to the 600mill? I'm guessing you presume something nefarious has occurred with it but the logical answer is that its still in treasury or has been diverted to other projects.
Depending on the size of the housing, 700k per house/unit doesn't sound unreasonable to me.
I'd rather have this money diverted into projects like the above, and/or a tunnel. Makes much more economical sense.
No idea about the Birmingham Commonwealth games costs, perhaps they already had suitable infrastructure in place?

 

[mrposhman]

What do you think happened to the 600mill? I'm guessing you presume something nefarious has occurred with it but the logical answer is that its still in treasury or has been diverted to other projects.
Depending on the size of the housing, 700k per house/unit doesn't sound unreasonable to me.
I'd rather have this money diverted into projects like the above, and/or a tunnel. Makes much more economical sense.
No idea about the Birmingham Commonwealth games costs, perhaps they already had suitable infrastructure in place?

$700k is astronomical for a build cost unless it includes land too. If its inclusive of land then its reasonable, excluding it and its massively over costed. You can still build houses (even with recent inflation) at around $400k.

 

[artball]

$700k is astronomical for a build cost unless it includes land too. If its inclusive of land then its reasonable, excluding it and its massively over costed. You can still build houses (even with recent inflation) at around $400k.

last week a friend was told by his builder that the home he built for 500,000 would now cost over 1m .. just the house .. and it's nothing extravagant ..

 

[BT Tiger]

$700k is astronomical for a build cost unless it includes land too. If its inclusive of land then its reasonable, excluding it and its massively over costed. You can still build houses (even with recent inflation) at around $400k.

I was chatting with a couple of locals at my golf club recently who run separate small residential building businesses and they both said that material costs have grown significantly in recent years and the costs to the consumer aren't what they once were. That's a small sample size and I'm not across the details but we've recently had several large building companies collapse and others are borderline profitable.

Either way, we don't have any details on the proposal so we can't accurately evaluate it at this point.

 

[Tigaman]

Doesn't everything Andrews plan go over budget ,so it would be nothing new.
He had a 2.6 billion budget for the games ,but is now only going to spend 2 billion on other projects ,what happened to the other 600 million.
Andrews say's they are going to spend 1 billion on 1300 social housing ,that works out at over 700k a house or unit.
Also a lot of his new promised projects ,won't start till 2026,or if they ever do,tunnels are more important .

The Birmingham Commonwealth games cost 1.5 billion ,and was very successful,why does ours cost so much more ,and why has it blown out of budget so much .
I look forward to see how the Andrews government show the public how they come about there pricing .

Dans needs to upgrade from his Abacus.

 

[eZyT]

You can still build houses (even with recent inflation) at around $400k.

A stapled-together pine, mdf and polystyrene ghetto in waiting, yes.

A competant owner builder could still build a decent dwelling for $400k,

But theres no way a sub-contractor below multiple layers of middlemen, an enourmous beauracracy and 3 layers of government, builds a decent quality house for $400k

 

[eZyT]

last week a friend was told by his builder that the home he built for 500,000 would now cost over 1m .. just the house .. and it's nothing extravagant ..

Yep, and thats with everything off the shelf at bunnings

If your wife or husband even walks past a building containing an architecture and design magazine, or accidentally glances over the shoulder of someone looking at Pinterest,

Double it.

vics have dodged a bullet, but murdoch will pivot overnight from labor cant budget, to Dan the Grinch who stole a 13 year olds gymnastics dream

 

[bengal tigers]

last week a friend was told by his builder that the home he built for 500,000 would now cost over 1m .. just the house .. and it's nothing extravagant ..

I would say get another builder,or it's bs .

A couple in my area finally got their 42 sqr double brick home built 6months ago,it has 4 bedrooms 2 bath rooms a study,2 lounge rooms ,and cinema room,and outside has 10sqr meter pergola ,roofing color bond ,and internal finishings are all good quality.
It cost them 1.1million,and the extra costing for materials was 180k to finish the house ,so the builder first quoted them 900-950k and with inflation and some material shortages ,it cost them a extra 20 percent .

I say finally got there house built ,it took 3 and a half years .

 

[bengal tigers]

Yep, and thats with everything off the shelf at bunnings

If your wife or husband even walks past a building containing an architecture and design magazine, or accidentally glances over the shoulder of someone looking at Pinterest,

Double it.

vics have dodged a bullet, but murdoch will pivot overnight from labor cant budget, to Dan the Grinch who stole a 13 year olds gymnastics dream

Bull *smile*,l know a elderly couple that are getting a 2 bedroom unit built for 380 k.
We are talking about social housing ,everything will be cheap

 

[bengal tigers]

I was chatting with a couple of locals at my golf club recently who run separate small residential building businesses and they both said that material costs have grown significantly in recent years and the costs to the consumer aren't what they once were. That's a small sample size and I'm not across the details but we've recently had several large building companies collapse and others are borderline profitable.

Either way, we don't have any details on the proposal so we can't accurately evaluate it at this point.

The problem with people is they allow builders to use their own tradesman ,plumbers/electricians etc ,but they can use there own if they look around and find a cheaper alternative .

 

[mrposhman]

A stapled-together pine, mdf and polystyrene ghetto in waiting, yes.

A competant owner builder could still build a decent dwelling for $400k,

But theres no way a sub-contractor below multiple layers of middlemen, an enourmous beauracracy and 3 layers of government, builds a decent quality house for $400k

Not really. I could send you numerous ones of these for different builders.

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Thats from Henley, there are heaps of homes priced at less than $400k to build. It does depend on inclusions, but if they are social housing, I can't see how its in the taxpayers interest to be putting top of the range design in. They would be bottom of the range designed homes.

 

[tigersnake]

Not really. I could send you numerous ones of these for different builders.

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Thats from Henley, there are heaps of homes priced at less than $400k to build. It does depend on inclusions, but if they are social housing, I can't see how its in the taxpayers interest to be putting top of the range design in. They would be bottom of the range designed homes.

Not really the case. Social housing these days tends to be modest and plain in terms of what is provided, small with no frills, but built to last and energy efficient. Your cheap project home is not built to last or energy efficient. They won't be hugely expensive, but not bargain basement cheap either.

 

[bengal tigers]

Not really the case. Social housing these days tends to be modest and plain in terms of what is provided, small with no frills, but built to last and energy efficient. Your cheap project home is not built to last or energy efficient. They won't be hugely expensive, but not bargain basement cheap either.

All new build houses in Victoria have to have a 7 star rating,it used to be 6.

https://www.energy.vic.gov.au/for-households/7-star-energy-efficiency-building-standards.

How did you come by that Henley homes are not built to last or are not energy efficient.

 

[tigersnake]

All new build houses in Victoria have to have a 7 star rating,it used to be 6.

https://www.energy.vic.gov.au/for-households/7-star-energy-efficiency-building-standards.

How did you come by that Henley homes are not built to last or are not energy efficient.

fair enough, but your off-the-shelf project home generally isn't built to last IMO, they are built to a budget. In my neck of the woods social housing tends to be apartments, which as I said, are very solid but also small and modest.

Bit like it used to be but not so much now, a hilux ute V a mazda or nissan ute. All looked the same, did the same job, but the hilux was 15% dearer but it was 30% tougher.

 

[TT33]

Doesn't everything Andrews plan go over budget ,so it would be nothing new.
He had a 2.6 billion budget for the games ,but is now only going to spend 2 billion on other projects ,what happened to the other 600 million.
Andrews say's they are going to spend 1 billion on 1300 social housing ,that works out at over 700k a house or unit.
Also a lot of his new promised projects ,won't start till 2026,or if they ever do,tunnels are more important .

The Birmingham Commonwealth games cost 1.5 billion ,and was very successful,why does ours cost so much more ,and why has it blown out of budget so much .
I look forward to see how the Andrews government show the public how they come about there pricing .

Was that 1.5 billion Pounds or 1.5 billion Aus$. There's a very big difference between the two.

 

[bengal tigers]

Was that 1.5 billion Pounds or 1.5 billion Aus$. There's a very big difference between the two.

778 million pounds,according to google

 

[Tigers of Old]

I hope this is the end of the Commonwealth Games. What a redundant, expensive nonsense.

 

[TigerForce]

I hope this is the end of the Commonwealth Games. What a redundant, expensive nonsense.

Yep. Olympics each 4 years is enough.