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Gutless decision If was solely being held in Olde Melbourne I do not think he would be cancelling. I just cannot understand how you lot in Victoria keep putting that lot back in power.

I can just imagine how much you'd be bitching and moaning if we had gone ahead and it ended up costing $5b more than budgeted.
 
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Brisbane gets the olympics because nobody wanted it.

Now Victoria cancels the Empire Games.

The worm has turned, the days of single use billion-dollar gold plated skateboard ramps and indoor CBD whitewater Kayaking stadiums being non-negotiable are over thankfully. Took 30 years too long, but better late than never.
 
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Brisbane gets the olympics because nobody wanted it.

Now Victoria cancels the Empire Games.

The worm has turned, the days of single use billion-dollar gold plated skateboard ramps and indoor CBD whitewater Kayaking stadiums being non-negotiable are over thankfully. Took 30 years too long, but better late than never.

I think the success of the last European Championships in 2021 (should have been 2020 but for Covid) also showed the way that tournaments can be run with existing facilities rather than developing brand new ones, that then become mothballed. Its a shame that the mothball world cup in Qatar followed that, that we have seemingly forget the success of the Euros.

I think soccer under Infantino are starting to show the way forward with major events. I'm hopeful that there will be no more ridiculous World Cup venues like Qatar ever again. The 2026 World Cup for example is taking a similar focus to that of the Euros. A lot of existing venues, across a growing soccer audience.

The problem with the Commonwealth games and the Olympics are the sheer extent of the sports that are included. Its very difficult to find many cities that have the infrastructure setup to host all the sports. Maybe the time has come for the city based approach to change, and a collective country based approach works. For example, if Melbourne was to get the Comm games (obviously cancelled now) but there were better facilities that didn't need upgrading in Sydney or Adelaide etc, then we would use them.

Its a about time that sports around the globe get together and stop the profligacy of money that has been involved in sport too long, being spent on mothballed arenas with the ridiculous statement that "it is growing the game" when in real effect it is taking money away that could be spent a lot better elsewhere and events can become more economical by using existing facilities even if they cannot have all athletes in the 1 place.
 
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Disappointing for the athletes, but the right decision.

The estimated cost blowout to $6 or 7 million does seem a bit of a stretch, but after watching Four Corners last night which was about all the businesses going broke because supply and cost issues, the blowout cost whatever it would've ended up being is way too much in this current economic climate.
 
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I just cannot understand how you lot in Victoria keep putting that lot back in power.

the simpsons adult GIF
 
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Watch the HS and conservatives go ballistic. They'd rather attempt to seize a political opportunity by bagging Andrews and co out than recognise the utter unsustainability of running the games at that cost. (And of course if they did run it at that cost, well, that'd be an even bigger outcry from the right).

Anyway, most Victorians will applaud Andrews' prudency and not to mention, funds being re-directed into other much need rural initiatives.

This is gonna be another classic example where the right shoot themselves in the foot.

Even I'm man enough to admit this is really embarrassing for the Andrews government. It’s the right decision mind you, but still pretty embarrassing.

And the timing is doubly bad IMO. The government is about to cop a lot of criticism from sports mad Victorians when they realise Sydney got all of the big women’s world cup games and the self-labelled sporting city of the universe didn’t even get a quarter final.
 
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Bit said for the regional cities to miss out now, but what was the point of hosting this after just 20 years? Give it to Adelaide or Perth.
 
Even I'm man enough to admit this is really embarrassing for the Andrews government. It’s the right decision mind you, but still pretty embarrassing.

And the timing is doubly bad IMO. The government is about to cop a lot of criticism from sports mad Victorians when they realise Sydney got all of the big women’s world cup games and the self-labelled sporting city of the universe didn’t even get a quarter final.

Agree to an extent but it would be good to know what the reasons were for Marvel not being included in the World Cup bid. The MCG was too big IMO and the wrong shape, clearly Accor is the right stadium for the final, but Marvel should have been pushed forward, but was this the State government's doing, or did the AFL as stadium owner block it?

The AFL have matches on quarter final weekend on both Saturday and Sunday and have been known in the past to block soccer in this country (the mens world cup bid shows that). Its the 1 sport in this country that scares the *smile* out of the AFL leadership.
 
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Agree to an extent but it would be good to know what the reasons were for Marvel not being included in the World Cup bid. The MCG was too big IMO and the wrong shape, clearly Accor is the right stadium for the final, but Marvel should have been pushed forward, but was this the State government's doing, or did the AFL as stadium owner block it?

The AFL have matches on quarter final weekend on both Saturday and Sunday and have been known in the past to block soccer in this country (the mens world cup bid shows that). Its the 1 sport in this country that scares the *smile* out of the AFL leadership.

This was a thing that I think was 'kind of mentioned' in the article. Andrews said that we had the venues needed, but that they were often booked out/ currently scheduled to be used for other things. If we kept the Comm Games but many many many other sporting activities got the arse because of it, is that a good thing?
 
Even I'm man enough to admit this is really embarrassing for the Andrews government. It’s the right decision mind you, but still pretty embarrassing.
I don't think its that embarrassing. It would be much more embarrassing to do what has always happened until now, cowtow unquestionably to the institutions that run these shows and keep throwing good money after bad, and end up with a massive budget blowout and bill, because it might be seen as embarrassing not to.. Its only the commonwealth games. Its a relic.
 
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Even I'm man enough to admit this is really embarrassing for the Andrews government. It’s the right decision mind you, but still pretty embarrassing.

And the timing is doubly bad IMO. The government is about to cop a lot of criticism from sports mad Victorians when they realise Sydney got all of the big women’s world cup games and the self-labelled sporting city of the universe didn’t even get a quarter final.
What was more embarrassing was that we bid for the redundant Commonwealth Games in the first place.

Most won’t care about dumping it.
 
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What was more embarrassing was that we bid for the redundant Commonwealth Games in the first place.

Most won’t care about dumping it.
I don't believe we pitched for it. We were asked if we could hold it because no one else wanted too or couldn't. We said yes.

Not a great look really, but right decision. Hopefully also prevented a visit from King Charles to Melbourne.
 
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I don't believe we pitched for it. We were asked if we could hold it because no one else wanted too or couldn't. We said yes.

Not a great look really, but right decision. Hopefully also prevented a visit from King Charles to Melbourne.
Taking it on....or pitching for it. Whatever. Doesn't matter in terms of embarrassment for picking up a 5th rate event.
 
Bit said for the regional cities to miss out now, but what was the point of hosting this after just 20 years? Give it to Adelaide or Perth.
Is it? I live regional and think it’s the correct call. As long as they follow through with the funding for the facilities it’s still a good outcome.
 
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Agree to an extent but it would be good to know what the reasons were for Marvel not being included in the World Cup bid. The MCG was too big IMO and the wrong shape, clearly Accor is the right stadium for the final, but Marvel should have been pushed forward, but was this the State government's doing, or did the AFL as stadium owner block it?

The AFL have matches on quarter final weekend on both Saturday and Sunday and have been known in the past to block soccer in this country (the mens world cup bid shows that). Its the 1 sport in this country that scares the *smile* out of the AFL leadership.
I just linked an article about this in the world cup thread.- the main reason appears to be the requirement that a venue is empty for 2 weeks before the event and a week after.- 7 weeks all up.
 
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Even I'm man enough to admit this is really embarrassing for the Andrews government. It’s the right decision mind you, but still pretty embarrassing.

And the timing is doubly bad IMO. The government is about to cop a lot of criticism from sports mad Victorians when they realise Sydney got all of the big women’s world cup games and the self-labelled sporting city of the universe didn’t even get a quarter final.
Yeah but are those who are criticising going to have any idea what hosting games at the G or Marvell would have meant for AFL? Can’t stop playing games in Melb for 7 weeks.
 
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Yeah but are those who are criticising going to have any idea what hosting games at the G or Marvell would have meant for AFL? Can’t stop playing games in Melb for 7 weeks.
It wouldnt have made much difference to our fixture over the last month or so!
 
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I can just imagine how much you'd be bitching and moaning if we had gone ahead and it ended up costing $5b more than budgeted.
Doesn't everything Andrews plan go over budget ,so it would be nothing new.
He had a 2.6 billion budget for the games ,but is now only going to spend 2 billion on other projects ,what happened to the other 600 million.
Andrews say's they are going to spend 1 billion on 1300 social housing ,that works out at over 700k a house or unit.
Also a lot of his new promised projects ,won't start till 2026,or if they ever do,tunnels are more important .

The Birmingham Commonwealth games cost 1.5 billion ,and was very successful,why does ours cost so much more ,and why has it blown out of budget so much .
I look forward to see how the Andrews government show the public how they come about there pricing .
 
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