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Steve Morris F/S

rhul said:
This from Tim Clarke:

"Jayden Short
10 disposals, two goals

Was fairly good in his half-forward role. Had four or five shots for goal, successfully converting two of them. We expect him to tackle and apply more pressure inside 50, however. That’s something we have been working on with him. To hit the scoreboard four times, and to provide energy inside our forward 50 area, is what we expect."

No, you're not on the wrong thread.

My question is a simple one: why are the guys in the ressies expected to hit the scoreboard and provide manic pressure whereas Morris is only expected to do the latter?

And before you reply with your well reasoned answers, don't bother, I'm not listening ;D

Because Short is not the Coaches pet
 
rhul said:
This from Tim Clarke:

"Jayden Short
10 disposals, two goals

Was fairly good in his half-forward role. Had four or five shots for goal, successfully converting two of them. We expect him to tackle and apply more pressure inside 50, however. That’s something we have been working on with him. To hit the scoreboard four times, and to provide energy inside our forward 50 area, is what we expect."

No, you're not on the wrong thread.

My question is a simple one: why are the guys in the ressies expected to hit the scoreboard and provide manic pressure whereas Morris is only expected to do the latter?

And before you reply with your well reasoned answers, don't bother, I'm not listening ;D

Short just doesn't demonstrate sufficient Richmond values
 
The Short man is on his way. Morris is overdosing on the physical stuff to make up on the class and goal kicking.

J.Short is overdoing on class and goal kicking, when the over stuff gets 60% to what Morris is doing, he will take the spot.
 
SCOOP said:
The Short man is on his way. Morris is overdosing on the physical stuff to make up on the class and goal kicking.

J.Short is overdoing on class and goal kicking, when the over stuff gets 60% to what Morris is doing, he will take the spot.

Yep precisely. And I think Steve knows his limitations and would accept that a more talented player will overtake him eventually, whenever that may be.
 
Short is also on the rookie list, so we'd have to promote him for someone first. I do agree that we should definitely look at him for the Morris role, however.
 
So, is there a double standard? Do all other small forwards have to provide pressure and kick goals whereas Morris only has to apply pressure?

Or is it simply that the coaches rate pressure above kicking goals and therefore the bloke who is doing the former will always get the nod above the bloke doing the latter?

If that's the case, I just wish they'd come out and say it. Then maybe Donuts, Short and the like can stop wasting their time trying to win the ball.

The reason they don't say it, of course, is because it's ridiculous.

It's hard not to conclude from all this that the various reasons and rationales the club provides are secondary to the fact that the coaches - for whatever reason - trust Morris above the alternatives.

Again, fine. But just come out and say that. Don't pretend otherwise.
 
Certainly mixed messages from Clarke when he says to forwards in the VFL that the attacking side of their game (goals etc.) is expected but it's not expected of Morris in the seniors. How many goals would Morris kick as a forward in the VFL?
 
not advocating Morris should be playing in the forward line in the afl, but i have no problem with making the likes of Short, McDonuts and Lennon rounding out their games in the vfl before being given regular gigs in the ones.

the best time to get them to work on all parts of their game is when they are young and i think sometimes it is easier for guys to work on weaknesses in the less pressured vfl.

if Morris sets the standard for the kids to aspire to pressure wise it might make us better in the long term.
 
rhul said:
So, is there a double standard? Do all other small forwards have to provide pressure and kick goals whereas Morris only has to apply pressure?

Or is it simply that the coaches rate pressure above kicking goals and therefore the bloke who is doing the former will always get the nod above the bloke doing the latter?

If that's the case, I just wish they'd come out and say it. Then maybe Donuts, Short and the like can stop wasting their time trying to win the ball.

The reason they don't say it, of course, is because it's ridiculous.

It's hard not to conclude from all this that the various reasons and rationales the club provides are secondary to the fact that the coaches - for whatever reason - trust Morris above the alternatives.

Again, fine. But just come out and say that. Don't pretend otherwise.

You're saying the coaches need to "come and say it". Say it to who - the general public or you personally?
Why? If they've explained it to the players that's enough.
 
Brodders17 said:
...but i have no problem with making the likes of Short, McDonuts and Lennon rounding out their games in the vfl before being given regular gigs in the ones.

You don't think Morris needs a more rounded game...?
 
Chimptastic said:
That's like saying Jack Riewoldt had 16 touches, zero spoils, and zero clearances.

How can you analyse a player's stats by omitting some of the key stats by which his role is measured? It's pretty obvious what he's primarily asked to bring to the table and it's not marks or handballs.
speaking of omitting some key stats, there was the small matter of 4 goals to go with the zero spoils and clearances. I appreciate these may not be high value KPI's but probably still worth a small mention.
 
Bill James said:
speaking of omitting some key stats, there was the small matter of 4 goals to go with the zero spoils and clearances. I appreciate these may not be high value KPI's but probably still worth a small mention.

I thought that was his point?