SORRY-A 5 letter word thats made history

[Hayfever]

Everyone knew Johnny would never say Sorry. The recent referendum(election) was that convincing he got rissoled out of Bennelong. Kevie was given a mandate and is delivering decisively and effectively. The Apology is vitally important........... as a symbol of the true spirit of reconciliation.

As Liverpool and others have highlighted, the really hard work lies ahead. Sensible outcomes are a long way off. People like the blonde bombshell Michael Mansell need to be put back in their box very quickly.

 

[Six Pack]

This nonsense about a referendum is baffling. The Sorry issue had been ALP policy for ages. It was a clear point of difference between two political parties that had moved closer and closer together on policy.

you can't cry out lets have a referendum every time something crops up that u dont like. If the govt of the day make a decision you can protest it etc but they have the mandate.

For example, the war in Iraq. I oppose that stridently, but the govt made the decision. i didnt vote for the libs or support the war and i certainly have protested against it, but no way i would support having a referendum on it. Govt would come to a standstill.

 

[Six Pack]

and arent referendums more to do with changes to the constitution?

 

[Liverpool]

As Liverpool and others have highlighted, the really hard work lies ahead. Sensible outcomes are a long way off. People like the blonde bombshell Michael Mansell need to be put back in their box very quickly.

Hayfever,
Exactly.
They do nothing to aid the Aboriginal cause.
Instead of Mansell spending money on trying to gain some compo for only a small section of the Aboriginal race....it would be better that the resources got used on making Aboriginal kids go to school, getting them off the drink and drugs, and start treating Aboriginal children int he same way that other Australian children are treated.
Talk of compensation and the like will just turn more and more people against Aborigines in general, instead of the idea that 'sorry' would bring everyone together.

I have made my opinions clear about 'sorry' and it has happened and I think it was wrong for Rudd to have done what he did....however, it is all done now and we all wait and see what happens next.
Compo may line the pockets of a few Aborigines and be seen as a great battle won....but by doing that, they will lose the war as a people.

 

[Rosy]

You change your mind more than a kid in a candy shop Rosy!   ;D

http://www.puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=24124.15

"Sorry" Rosy.... :hihi

Those comments are years apart Liverpool.  I readily admit I do change my mind, as you claim, as I learn and experience more in life.   Things don't have to be black or white (no pun intended)

I seem to recall at election time you were telling me I didn't change my mind as I'd said and you reckoned I knew all along who I'd be voting for. You seem to be contradicting yourself.

It wasn't until today, after the event, that I really knew how I felt about saying sorry.  It touched me in a way I wasn't expecting. I actually felt I walked a bit lighter after watching Kevin this morning.  I don't know about compensation, and nobody else does on this thread either, but today was about saying sorry and pledging to improve the future for our Indigenous population.  My heart bled for the old Aboriginal lady quietly wiping away tears in parliament.  I hope today’s events help her, and many more like her, heal.

I'm really happy there was unanimous support in parliament for Kevin's words.  

How anyone can begrudge them that is beyond me and I'm loathe to discuss today's events with you Livers.  I find your comments portray a distinct meanness of spirit (eg all but wishing Australia goes down the gurgler under Rudd so you can say told ya so) and lack of compassion (no explanation needed), with a tenuous grasp on the concept of honesty thrown in for good measure.

P.S. I stand by my comment you quoted from 2006 "Bridges need to be built on both sides and working together towards genuine and practical solutions would be far more beneficial than giving a false apology because it was demanded."

I don't think there was anything false about Kevin's apology. Spoken from the heart and very genuine is more like it.

 

[Liverpool]

I seem to recall at election time you were telling me I didn't change my mind as I'd said and you reckoned I knew all along who I'd be voting for. You seem to be contradicting yourself.

Not at all....i was right, wasn't I? Did you not vote ALP as I had said months prior?

It wasn't until today, after the event, that I really knew how I felt about saying sorry. It touched me in a way I wasn't expecting. I actually felt I walked a bit lighter after watching Kevin this morning. I don't know about compensation, and nobody else does on this thread either, but today was about saying sorry and pledging to improve the future for our Indigenous population. My heart bled for the old Aboriginal lady quietly wiping away tears in parliament. I hope today’s events help her, and many more like her, heal.

I wonder if you would have walked a bit lighter if Howard said 'sorry'?
I think not.

Compassion, emotion, and mean spiritedness have nothing to do with saying 'sorry'.
I grew up saying sorry if I had done something wrong and not apologising if I had not done something wrong......so yes, simple black and white.....you don't go around saying 'sorry' with phoney apologies because all of a sudden people think you should.
And I certainly don't think people are compassionless, emotionless, or mean spirited because they don't say sorry for something that either isn't their fault or didn't even happen to begin with.

P.S:
And you don't need to say 'sorry' to a minority of a minority group for that minority group to improve their future.
Now that 'sorry' has been said, there is no excuse...no excuse to rape their own kids, no excuse to sit around not working, and no excuse not to go to school.
Or does that only happen after the compo settlements?

 

[Rosy]

I wonder if you would have walked a bit lighter if Howard said 'sorry'?
I think not.

Howard got the arse but the leader of the opposition did say sorry today too in case you didn't notice.

 

[Hayfever]

The symbolism of today is so important to the spirit of reconciliation in Australia. Contrast the atmosphere and genuine rapport with that displayed a few years back. Remember that scene where Howard went off his brain...... shouting and thumping the table like a madman as some aboriginals silently turned their back on him.

Rosy mentioned about meanness of spirit. That was Howard to a T. Yet his minister Mal Brough was quite the opposite................. a man of real compassion and understanding. I hope he gets a leading role in the ongoing reconciliation process. Bi-partisanship will be vital and it would be a master stroke if Rudd endorses a role for Brough here.

 

[Rosy]

Now that 'sorry' has been said, there is no excuse...no excuse to rape their own kids, no excuse to sit around not working, and no excuse not to go to school.
Or does that only happen after the compo settlements?

That is despicable.

 

[Liverpool]

Howard got the arse but the leader of the opposition did say sorry today too in case you didn't notice.

And I don't agree with it.

The majority of people voted Rudd in but the majority, dare I say it, would be against the 'sorry' being said.

With the Libs, while I am against Nelson agreeing with Rudd on this....if the majority of the Libs policies are in line with my opinions, then I will vote for them again...if not, then I will vote for someone who does fit in line with my opinions.

 

[Six Pack]

That is despicable.

Agreed!

 

[Six Pack]

And I don't agree with it.

The majority of people voted Rudd in but the majority, dare I say it, would be against the 'sorry' being said.

With the Libs, while I am against Nelson agreeing with Rudd on this....if the majority of the Libs policies are in line with my opinions, then I will vote for them again...if not, then I will vote for someone who does fit in line with my opinions.

One Nation?

 

[Rosy]

One Nation?

:rofl

 

[Hayfever]

That is despicable.

Agreed. Certainly not the views of "everyday Australians". More like an irrational minority redneck.

 

[Hayfever]

One Nation?

Exactly. How did she go this time?

 

[Liverpool]

The symbolism of today is so important to the spirit of reconciliation in Australia. Contrast the atmosphere and genuine rapport with that displayed a few years back. Remember that scene where Howard went off his brain...... shouting and thumping the table like a madman as some aboriginals silently turned their back on him.
Rosy mentioned about meanness of spirit. That was Howard to a T. Yet his minister Mal Brough was quite the opposite................. a man of real compassion and understanding. I hope he gets a leading role in the ongoing reconciliation process. Bi-partisanship will be vital and it would be a master stroke if Rudd endorses a role for Brough here.

hayfever,
I'm not one for "symbolic" rubbish....I want to see action.
People can go around saying 'sorry' and treating Aborigines like some eternal victim and the problem is, that this has been happening for so long now regarding welfare and other initiatives, that they themselves have no dignity as a race.
We go around apologising, sorrying, handing out cash left right and centre...as well as having separate rules, laws, welfare for Aborigines....segregating them for decades as different from every other Australian....and they think they are losers. This is why we see so many of them longing around drinking, taking drugs, in trouble with the law, and abusing their own children.
Rosy can moan about me saying it as 'despicable'...but this is what has been happening out there for years.

the sooner all this 'sorry' stuff is now swept under the carpet and we treat Aborigines the same as every other Australian, regardless of all this 'cultural identity' crap, then the better they will be and feel as a race.

Symbolic apologies are all fine and dandy...but out there in the communities, right NOW...tonight...what has changed?
Stuff all!

 

[Six Pack]

its gotta start somewhere livers, i dont think anyone expected that everything would be fixed by tonight.

 

[Liverpool]

That is despicable.

i agree that it is despicable.
But that is the sort of thing happening out there....and it has been going on for too long.
Saying 'sorry' is not a step forward ina ddressing these issues, but a step back, as we again let the Aborigines know that they are the eternal victims of this nation.

the quicker the government and people in general start getting stuck into actually doing something and stop pussy-footing and pandering around like scared mice when dealing with Aborigines, the quicker such 'despicable' acts will not be any more.

 

[Liverpool]

its gotta start somewhere livers, i dont think anyone expected that everything would be fixed by tonight.

What about tomorrow? or the next day?
Saying 'sorry' was just a symbolic gesture to shut them up and using this lack of sorry as an excuse for their failings as a race, for Rudd to complete something he had promised during the election, and we hope/pray doesn't lead to massive financial ramifications (and I'm tipping for Rudd, he hopes it doesn't too, hence the team of lawyers looking over the apology to make it as watertight as possible).

 

[Six Pack]

What about tomorrow? or the next day?
Saying 'sorry' was just a symbolic gesture to shut them up and using this lack of sorry as an excuse for their failings as a race,

See, it comes back every time to the fact that you hold the indigenous australians in very low regard, so anything positive that happens you have to bag it.

Try taking a deep breath and thinking about whats happened. Try opening yr heart and try having some empathy.

yr continual negative bleatings are offensive, tiresome and pathetic.