SORRY-A 5 letter word thats made history

[Willo]

The states have already apologised years ago, so I fail to see how anything has changed.

So in other words the apology legally makes no difference? I'm pressing this point, because to me it seems the naive people are those who have fallen for the compensation strawman.

We'll just have to wait and see.
What was the fellows name who just received compensation and just recently, interest?
Multiply that by ??

You don't think there'd be a fairly rigorous approval process if a compensation fund is established?

You'd certainly hope so, wouldn't you?

 

[Disco08]

Of course. The last thing you want is compensation being paid to people who do not deserve it.

The person's name you're trying to think of is Bruce Trevorrow.

 

[Liverpool]

What's your definition of an 'everyday Australian' ?

I would dare say the majority, Hayfever.
Yes, we can all look at a poll from 'The Age' and say 52% back an apology, but I reckon that if a referendum was held, then like the republic, the public would have voted "NO" to sorry.

We'll just have to wait and see.
What was the fellows name who just received compensation and just recently, interest?
Multiply that by ??You'd certainly hope so, wouldn't you?

Willo,
Bruce trevorrow wasn't part of the 'stolen generation' as there was no policy at the time in that state to say it was o.k for Aboriginal people to be removed. He won compensation because he had proof that he was stolen, and he was.....and it had nothing to do with his race...and funnily enough, he didn't need the Government to say 'sorry' to aid his case.
For people like Mansell, Dodson, O'Donohue, etc to come out and say about looking for compensation just shows you that this is the leverage they have been waiting for for a long time...something Howard did not give them and because of their flimsy evidence, they have failed so far when providing proof and evidence in winning ANY stolen generation cases.

Of course. The last thing you want is compensation being paid to people who do not deserve it.

Disco,
You mentioned a while ago that we haven't seen many stolen generation cases win (or go to court) because either people didn't want compensation or that they didn't have the finances to go to court.
I wonder where Mansell, Dodson, and O'Donohue will find their money to go to court then....unless it must have just fallen out of the '$orry tree', eh? :hihi

 

[Disco08]

Grow up.

 

[ronnit]

i will not state my opinion....but i will sit back now and watch what happens with great interest....

 

[Liverpool]

Grow up.

Well, that was your excuse Disco...that we haven;'t had a lot of stolen generation cases because people either did not want compensation...or the poor Aboriginal people did not have the finances to fight legally in a court of law for compensation.

Now we have Mansell, Dodson, O'Donohue...and dare I say others...all threatening legal action in a push for compensation.

So the question is....obviously they have the money to pay for lawyers and the like now that the Government has said sorry...so why didn't they use that money and go to court before now and use the so-called "irrefutable facts' that the stolen generation occurred and let the evidence win them their compensation?

 

[Hayfever]

I would dare say the majority, Hayfever.
Yes, we can all look at a poll from 'The Age' and say 52% back an apology, but I reckon that if a referendum was held, then like the republic, the public would have voted "NO" to sorry

I thought we just had a referendum. It was called a General Election. "Me too" Kevie only differentiated himself on a couple of issues......... Kyoto and "Sorry". He's already delivered on both. The majority of "everyday Australians" gave him a mandate on those. The minority backed Johnny's mob, now led by Nelson...... who has "me too'ed" Sorry.

 

[Disco08]

Well, that was your excuse Disco...that we haven;'t had a lot of stolen generation cases because people either did not want compensation...or the poor Aboriginal people did not have the finances to fight legally in a court of law for compensation.

Now we have Mansell, Dodson, O'Donohue...and dare I say others...all threatening legal action in a push for compensation.

So the question is....obviously they have the money to pay for lawyers and the like now that the Government has said sorry...so why didn't they use that money and go to court before now and use the so-called "irrefutable facts' that the stolen generation occurred and let the evidence win them their compensation?

You honestly can't figure this out for yourself?

 

[Rosy]

I thought we just had a referendum. It was called a General Election. "Me too" Kevie only differentiated himself on a couple of issues......... Kyoto and "Sorry". He's already delivered on both. The majority of "everyday Australians" gave him a mandate on those. The minority backed Johnny's mob, now led by Nelson...... who has "me too'ed" Sorry. 

Spot on Hay.  Work choices got the big A today as well. :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap :clap

Since the election, and the Australians made their thoguhts clear, Nelson has "me too"ed on sorry, Kyoto and work choices. I don't mind that at all. Good on him for listening to what the voters said.

 

[Liverpool]

I thought we just had a referendum. It was called a General Election. "Me too" Kevie only differentiated himself on a couple of issues......... Kyoto and "Sorry". He's already delivered on both. The majority of "everyday Australians" gave him a mandate on those. The minority backed Johnny's mob, now led by Nelson...... who has "me too'ed" Sorry.

Hayfever,
Oh no....Ruddy didn't get in because of the 'sorry' debate...he got in because of a range of issues.
If there was simply a poll on "should the government say 'sorry'?"....I reckon "NO" would win in a landslide.
You know it, and I know it.

 

[Six Pack]

Th big issues for me in the election were: industrial relations, the war, indigenous issues and climate issues. I didnt vote ALP, but they are starting to deliver. :clap

 

[ronnit]

every person i spoke to today said they would have liked a referendum....

 

[Disco08]

Oh no....Ruddy didn't get in because of the 'sorry' debate...he got in because of a range of issues.
If there was simply a poll on "should the government say 'sorry'?"....I reckon "NO" would win in a landslide.
You know it, and I know it.

I already showed you the poll results that showed Australians were clearly in favour of saying sorry. Did you forget about those? In case you did, they were from a variety of sources including I think The Australian which you seemed to think would favour not saying sorry.

 

[Six Pack]

every person i spoke to today was of the opinion that there should have been a referendum....

just for interest sake...did kevin rudd say if he won the election then he would say sorry..was this part of his campaign?

The opposition under Beazly, Crean, Latham and Rudd had made that very clear, ronnit. People knew what they were voting for.

 

[Liverpool]

Thank you Kevin for having the courage and conviction to take the first step towards a united Australia. Although saying sorry doesn't lessen the horrific experience suffered by so many hopefully it will bring closure to those who've suffered and help all Australians move forward towards a united and equal future regardless of past history, race or culture. The unanimous acceptance in Parliament speaks volumes.

You change your mind more than a kid in a candy shop Rosy! ;D

The aboriginals have a tragic history ts and I feel for them deeply but I don't think Little Johnny Bonsai should say sorry on demand. I don't see how it would make any difference, he's no more responsible for their early treatment than I am.
Bridges need to be built on both sides and working together towards genuine and practical solutions would be far more beneficial than giving a false apology because it was demanded.
He's not likely to give it so time to move on and plan for the future imo.
I don't understand your point there ts. Isn't what Legends said correct?

http://www.puntroadend.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=24124.15

"Sorry" Rosy.... :hihi

 

[mld]

I wonder how WorkChoices would have fared in a referendum...

 

[ronnit]

ok...i obviously wasnt listening to his campaign...

 

[Liverpool]

I already showed you the poll results that showed Australians were clearly in favour of saying sorry. Did you forget about those? In case you did, they were from a variety of sources including I think The Australian which you seemed to think would favour not saying sorry.

A poll from 'The Age' and www.lefty.com doesn't count Disco.... :hihi

every person i spoke to today said they would have liked a referendum....

So would I have Ronnit....and I think I know what the result would have been...

 

[Disco08]

A poll from 'The Age' and www.lefty.com doesn't count Disco.... :hihi

As I said, every poll I could find told a similar story. Carry on living in denial though if it makes you feel better.

 

[Disco08]

So would I have Ronnit....and I think I know what the result would have been...

Indeed, more money wasted to find out what we already knew.