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shaun hampson threads [merged]

should We Recruit Him?

  • Yes

    Votes: 106 33.8%
  • No

    Votes: 173 55.1%
  • Cheese Sandwich / Don't Care

    Votes: 35 11.1%

  • Total voters
    314
It shows me that Hampson and Big Ivan are not our long term solution. Just another hole that needs to be filled on our sub par list.
 
Tiger68 said:
Yes no doubt there is more to the position, but the core competancy of a ruckman is providing the team with first use of the footy. Hit outs to advanatge are highly correlated to centre clearance and centre clearances are highly correlated to winning games. Maric will never provide this advanatage. Hampson might develop a more rounded game with some patience. Lets not forget he has been in the best a few times this year - he did not have a good game on the weekend but Sandilands would have had 60 hitouts had Hampson not played. Just as Goldstein was BOG when Hamspon did not play last week.

Hampson had about eight years at Carlton as they patiently waited for him to develop a 'more rounded game'. It never happened and that's why they gave him the nicknames cymbals and autumn leaves. And that's why they didn't hesitate for a second in getting rid of him for our second round pick (they still haven't stopped popping champagne bottles in celebration). He is almost veteran in terms of years spent in the system. He is what he is, a terrible kick and a very poor mark with an extremely limited ability to read the game. His scope for improvement ranges between negligible to non-existent and as ugly as the reality might be we are effectively a man down when he isn't contesting ball-ups and throw-ins.

If we had picked him up as a delisted free agent or rookie there might have been some argument for selecting such a woefully limited player. But for second rounder, well someone should be fired for that.
 
Yep, after 8 seasons in the AFL Hampy needs more time to develop ...... ::)
 
Was recruited as a tap ruckman. Is a tap ruckman. On the weekend took a few marks and made a few contests around the ground. Was not going to set the world on fire so I'm not sure why he cops the level of abuse he does on here. Nobody thought he was Brad Ottens. He fulfils the role he was recruited for, giving us first use on a much higher % of occasions than in the past.
 
Tygrys said:
Hampson had about eight years at Carlton as they patiently waited for him to develop a 'more rounded game'. It never happened and that's why they gave him the nicknames cymbals and autumn leaves. And that's why they didn't hesitate for a second in getting rid of him for our second round pick (they still haven't stopped popping champagne bottles in celebration). He is almost veteran in terms of years spent in the system. He is what he is, a terrible kick and a very poor mark with an extremely limited ability to read the game. His scope for improvement ranges between negligible to non-existent and as ugly as the reality might be we are effectively a man down when he isn't contesting ball-ups and throw-ins.

If we had picked him up as a delisted free agent or rookie there might have been some argument for selecting such a woefully limited player. But for second rounder, well someone should be fired for that.
Hampson has been in the best a few times this year, the same cant be said for our second round draft picks from 2012. McIntosh and McBean. Even if he is a good backup Ruckman, still worth a pick 32 IMO. We looked better on the weekend when Hampson was in the ruck.

Wasn't too long ago that Carlton played Hampson in front of Warnock.
 
KnightersRevenge said:
Was recruited as a tap ruckman. Is a tap ruckman. On the weekend took a few marks and made a few contests around the ground. Was not going to set the world on fire so I'm not sure why he cops the level of abuse he does on here. Nobody thought he was Brad Ottens. He fulfils the role he was recruited for, giving us first use on a much higher % of occasions than in the past.
What role is that? To imitate s statue?
 
Tiger68 said:
Hampson has been in the best a few times this year, the same cant be said for our second round draft picks from 2012. McIntosh and McBean. Even if he is a good backup Ruckman, still worth a pick 32 IMO. We looked better on the weekend when Hampson was in the ruck.

Wasn't too long ago that Carlton played Hampson in front of Warnock.

And yet they joyfully let him go and are continuing to laugh at our expense. He is a crap 'backup ruckman' and he has been in our worst in many many more matches, including being subbed off on a couple of occasions and being dropped. Also let's not also forget one of his supposed 'bests' was against a completely underdone Mumford back from injury and a GWS who put in such a luck luster effort that even a mid-90s dying Fitzroy would have blushed (remember every player wearing a Richmond jumper that day looked a world beater). Again don't hold any of this against him, it's our idiot recruiters that drafted a one dimensional player with no scope for improvement and flushed a second round pick down the toilet. Carlton and Hampson made out like bandits and we our trousers pulled down.
 
tonemaster said:
the Richmond brains trust concluded that we lost that final against the Blues because Maric was absolutely pantsed in the ruck that day by the giant, Warnock. Rucks aren't that important, unless you get pantsed in the ruck. Then they're ridiculously important.

Getting Hampson was about not getting pantsed in the ruck. Maric, Stephenson, Graham and Derickx are each too short or unathletic against the giant rucks. Although Hampson is a pretty ordinary player generally, he won't get pantsed in the ruck. He's too tall and athletic for that.

In my reckoning, that's why we bothered to get him.

It was a brilliant strategy

Unfortunately every other player except Martin and Miles have completely lost all their footy ability
 
Tygrys said:
And yet they joyfully let him go and are continuing to laugh at our expense. He is a crap 'backup ruckman' and he has been in our worst in many many more matches, including being subbed off on a couple of occasions and being dropped. Also let's not also forget one of his supposed 'bests' was against a completely underdone Mumford back from injury and a GWS who put in such a luck luster effort that even a mid-90s dying Fitzroy would have blushed (remember every player wearing a Richmond jumper that day looked a world beater). Again don't hold any of this against him, it's our idiot recruiters that drafted a one dimensional player with no scope for improvement and flushed a second round pick down the toilet. Carlton and Hampson made out like bandits and we our trousers pulled down.
Agree, watched him on the weekend, he was woeful at best. Too slow and he can barely kick the football. Makes
a complete mockery of "if they can't kick they can't be recruited", yep nice one Dimma for landing us this DUD until
end of 2017.
 
KnightersRevenge said:
Was recruited as a tap ruckman. Is a tap ruckman. On the weekend took a few marks and made a few contests around the ground. Was not going to set the world on fire so I'm not sure why he cops the level of abuse he does on here. Nobody thought he was Brad Ottens. He fulfils the role he was recruited for, giving us first use on a much higher % of occasions than in the past.
Took 2 marks on the weekend. Yep, he made a "few" contests. He had 5 disposals.

But he fulfils a role? Seriously? Well, if his "role" is to get the ball 5 times a game, mark it twice a game, drop sitters, not kick goals, not drop back in the hole and take a mark or go forward and be an option...then, yes, he fulfils a role.

Hampson cops it here because he is not AFL standard. It was clear to see this when he was at Carlton.

I'd have spewed if we rookied him at pick 131 but to give up what was then pick 28 on a 3 year $1m(?) contract! That is simply negligent.
 
7th in the league this year for hit outs. What else is a large not very mobile ruck for? He is doing his job. The one he was recruited for. You can argue the toss over the strategy but not his actual output.
 
nqtiger said:
he will get a one week hamstring this week Damien doesn't want to put him in against derricks...........it will show up his folly well and truly.

Time to go Damien
D-rex will be dropped for Pyke after being destroyed by Lobbe on the weekend.

tigertim said:
I'd have spewed if we rookied him at pick 131 but to give up what was then pick 28 on a 3 year $1m(?) contract! That is simply negligent.
I think he's on 250k, which is pretty bargain basement. And the pick was never going to be 28, with Buddy, Daisy, Dal Santo and Sylvia compo picks to be added in. The club knew it was pick 32 when it swapped it.
 
spook said:
D-rex will be dropped for Pyke after being destroyed by Lobbe on the weekend.
I think he's on 250k, which is pretty bargain basement. And the pick was never going to be 28, with Buddy, Daisy, Dal Santo and Sylvia compo picks to be added in. The club knew it was pick 32 when it swapped it.

Wasn't beams & Hannebury & sloane all picks in the thirties? No excuse, should've used that pick on a kid
 
KnightersRevenge said:
7th in the league this year for hit outs. What else is a large not very mobile ruck for? He is doing his job. The one he was recruited for. You can argue the toss over the strategy but not his actual output.

As BT would say oh boy wowee. I guess some people are very easily pleased.
 
spook said:
D-rex will be dropped for Pyke after being destroyed by Lobbe on the weekend.
I think he's on 250k, which is pretty bargain basement. And the pick was never going to be 28, with Buddy, Daisy, Dal Santo and Sylvia compo picks to be added in. The club knew it was pick 32 when it swapped it.

32 is still overs. Massive. Underperformed to the max, I know your not defending Spooky.

For the price paid and the best possible outcome we could get out of Hampson, I'm not sure we couldn't have got 75% of with Tommy D or Orren or even Mark Seaby out of the WAFL. But we still don't have a young ruck coming through.

We haven't addressed that imbalance in the list. Who is the best preformed ruck in the WAFL, SANFL and VFL? Rookie one of them.
 
SCOOP said:
Who is the best preformed ruck in the WAFL, SANFL and VFL? Rookie one of them.

probably Big O, and we already have rookied him.

I dont care what anyone says, Der-X is the worst ruckman to play senior football since richard lounder.

Grundy pants was the play. But hey, richmond greatest love machine is pretty good too.
 
DragicevicFan said:
K Brooksby had 45 HO and 8 clearances for South Adelaide last week.

Dont know who he is, but they are decent numbers.

He was ruck for the SA state team v Victoria a few weeks ago. Didnt seem anything special but apparently his form is quite good in the SANFL. The Victorian ruck Meese from Northern Blues was pretty meh too. There doesnt seem to be a surplus of good rucks in the state leagues. Cam Wood, Paul Johnson, David Fanning......

Sam Baulderstone from SA was the smoky tip last year but havent heard anything about him this season.