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shaun hampson threads [merged]
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To convince myself of this trade’s worth I’m doing some tape work on Hampson. Aside from the obvious unpleasantness of watching Carlton, it’s not going very well.
Although the club has built a huge amount of credit with me over the last few years, I can’t shake the ‘what the hell were they thinking’ feeling.
Although the club has built a huge amount of credit with me over the last few years, I can’t shake the ‘what the hell were they thinking’ feeling.
I'm figuring a lot here have watched more of Hampson at Carlton than I have because over the years I have seen him I have thought he was an extremely talented but very raw tall who was surplus to Carlton's list needs and was being played out of position to plug gaping gaps in their list.
Am hoping that this is once again a very savvy decision by Blair. The thought of a McGuane/White swap for Hampson seems a logical one from a list needs POV.
We have seen how Ivan has flourished at Tigerland when given the opportunity in the ruck, here's hoping lightning strikes again.
Give the big fella a chance people.
Am hoping that this is once again a very savvy decision by Blair. The thought of a McGuane/White swap for Hampson seems a logical one from a list needs POV.
We have seen how Ivan has flourished at Tigerland when given the opportunity in the ruck, here's hoping lightning strikes again.
Give the big fella a chance people.
Col.W.Kurtz said:
That's called suffering for your art Colonel.
And I'm concerned about this trade too. I'm trying to make a leap of faith and be more like Oldie, but I'm finding it hard. I do remember being slightly underwhelmed by the Ivvy trade though. It didn't look good that he'd been running around in the SANFL.
TJsFurrow said:
Opportunity is knocking for Shaun TJ's, up to him & our coaching staff to make the most of it.
Col.W.Kurtz said:
Do not under any circumstances view his efforts this year, it was no wonder he was getting the bronx cheers from the crowd - I'm certainly erasing all those fumbles and brain fades from the memory bank.
If Blair nails this one it will be because he saw a gun ruckman who was being starved of opportunity. I don't think Hampson's career will take off as a semi-permanent forward.
Hampsons biggest issue at Carlton was that he was their focal point up forward. He was playing the Tippett role. We all know he ain't that. But playing predominately as a ruck men and resting in the forward line taking the third best defender is another thing all together. Remember Hale at North. Well he was in the same boat as Hampson at Carlton. Now expect Hampson to emulate how Hale plays at the Hawks. He was set up to sit next to Buddy and Roughead in the forward line when he wasn't rucking. Hampson will be setting up to sit next to Riewoldt and Vickery.
Smoking Aces said:
You make a good argument smokin. The rhetoric out of the club has been emphasising his ruck work for sure. If he can echo hale it'd be pretty good.
Tigers of Old said:
The highlighted seems a given on here.
Going by compo picks last year leysy isn't sure that will be the case.
I think the club already knows what they are receiving based on Richardson's and RFC Officials comments.Leysy Days said:
To me it doesn't matter if we get the comensation pick or not when considering this trade. The recruitment of Hampson is a completely separate issue. No one forgave the Mcmahon trade because we had another pick around the same time.
I have supported all the clubs recent trades and major FA acquisitions when they were made. But having watched quite a lot of Hampson and looked at his numbers my initial assessment of this trade is that it's the worst one we've done in the Hardwick era. I don't like it at first glance.
IMO Hampson was a cap dump, Blues would have taken a 3rd. Hampson will play plenty of football for us next year, but I see nothing in Hampson play that indicates he is a starting 22 player. You don't give a 2nd round pick to upgrade your backups.
Alternatively, If Maric is shot we should have aimed higher than Hampson.
I have supported all the clubs recent trades and major FA acquisitions when they were made. But having watched quite a lot of Hampson and looked at his numbers my initial assessment of this trade is that it's the worst one we've done in the Hardwick era. I don't like it at first glance.
IMO Hampson was a cap dump, Blues would have taken a 3rd. Hampson will play plenty of football for us next year, but I see nothing in Hampson play that indicates he is a starting 22 player. You don't give a 2nd round pick to upgrade your backups.
Alternatively, If Maric is shot we should have aimed higher than Hampson.
Leysy Days said:
Smoking Aces said:
I am basing my comments purely on theirs. If that is incorrect then their comments will look pretty folly.
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Ok, folks, just had the pleasure of watching half an hour of Hampson's career highlights (with some lowlights thrown in) and have to say that I'm starting to get a sense as to why Blair sees him as a viable recruit. After seeing the footage, there's no doubt in my mind that Hampson can take a contested mark, he seems to know how to position his body to take full advantage of his height and is strong enough to go toe to toe with some of the stronger defenders in the competition. I duly noted that some of the commentators were labeling him as the second coming of Ottens so I can only assume he hit a rich vein of form. For those of you sentimental folk, there's some not so nice footage of some Richmond debacles, fortunately the chief offenders have been banished to Coburg & Altona, so let's not cry over spilled milk.
Now to balance the ledger at little, I've also seen evidence of Hampson's butter fingers, so I can only conclude he's a confidence player who might be mentally fragile when things aren't going his way. That maybe a bit harsh but its better than being completely deficient in that area. The video producer did the kind favour of putting up comparisons with Kreuzer & Warnock and it's clear that Hampson is a vastly better mark than Warnock and probably on par with Kreuzer. On that evidence, it's pretty clear to see why the Carlton brains trust played him forward most of the time.
The mental fragility was probably most evident with his kicking unfortunately, even from 20 metres out you wouldn't be overly confident he would seal the deal. His action isn't particularly fluent, and unsurprisingly, his ball drop seems to be very high. He's certainly not John Butcher unco, but if we're talking ruckman, I'd say he's a long way off Dean Cox and Brad Ottens. In saying that, he seemed to be pretty agile for a big fella and is capable of kicking running goals. This is an area that I'm starting to see eye to eye with Hartley when he talks about rare athleticism, I'm pretty certain that if Hampson is caught up in a one-on-one, he'll engage in a dogfight once the ball hits the turf. And it's clear he's got a bit of toe, the sprint times back this up and he has delivered some lovely running goals in his short career.
On the issue of ruck duties, there's not much in the highlights package but I'll give you a brief rundown on the stats.
Hampson Kreuzer Warnock
Games 63 (7 yrs) 105 (6yrs) 70 (6yrs)
Goals 32 (0.51) 56 (0.53) 13 (0.19)
Hit outs 975 (15.5) 1842 (17.54) 1575 (22.5)
Contested marks 65 (1.03) 95 (0.9) 29 (0.41)
So all things considered, maybe the difference between the three isn't as great as it would initially seem. There's also the issue of Hampson's knees but we can only trust the medicos on their assessments. It was reported that we stitched up the deal at 250k per season so it's certainly not in the Buddy ballpark as far as risk is concerned.
Anyway, if you've got half an hour to spare, have a look at the highlights. It may not be up there with NicNat but I can see a fair bit to work with. And like Blair mentioned, there's every chance we haven't seen the best of Shaun Hampson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2UqUSx4mi8
Now to balance the ledger at little, I've also seen evidence of Hampson's butter fingers, so I can only conclude he's a confidence player who might be mentally fragile when things aren't going his way. That maybe a bit harsh but its better than being completely deficient in that area. The video producer did the kind favour of putting up comparisons with Kreuzer & Warnock and it's clear that Hampson is a vastly better mark than Warnock and probably on par with Kreuzer. On that evidence, it's pretty clear to see why the Carlton brains trust played him forward most of the time.
The mental fragility was probably most evident with his kicking unfortunately, even from 20 metres out you wouldn't be overly confident he would seal the deal. His action isn't particularly fluent, and unsurprisingly, his ball drop seems to be very high. He's certainly not John Butcher unco, but if we're talking ruckman, I'd say he's a long way off Dean Cox and Brad Ottens. In saying that, he seemed to be pretty agile for a big fella and is capable of kicking running goals. This is an area that I'm starting to see eye to eye with Hartley when he talks about rare athleticism, I'm pretty certain that if Hampson is caught up in a one-on-one, he'll engage in a dogfight once the ball hits the turf. And it's clear he's got a bit of toe, the sprint times back this up and he has delivered some lovely running goals in his short career.
On the issue of ruck duties, there's not much in the highlights package but I'll give you a brief rundown on the stats.
Hampson Kreuzer Warnock
Games 63 (7 yrs) 105 (6yrs) 70 (6yrs)
Goals 32 (0.51) 56 (0.53) 13 (0.19)
Hit outs 975 (15.5) 1842 (17.54) 1575 (22.5)
Contested marks 65 (1.03) 95 (0.9) 29 (0.41)
So all things considered, maybe the difference between the three isn't as great as it would initially seem. There's also the issue of Hampson's knees but we can only trust the medicos on their assessments. It was reported that we stitched up the deal at 250k per season so it's certainly not in the Buddy ballpark as far as risk is concerned.
Anyway, if you've got half an hour to spare, have a look at the highlights. It may not be up there with NicNat but I can see a fair bit to work with. And like Blair mentioned, there's every chance we haven't seen the best of Shaun Hampson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2UqUSx4mi8
