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shaun hampson threads [merged]
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leon said:
Or we could go with ockhams razor and go with the logical and observable fact that Hampson is a woeful footballer, and actually makes us worse by his inclusion.
Hammer's only virtue is that he can jump and win more than his fair share of tap outs yet we were still losing clearances. Most here say Hammer's hit outs are useless as they are not to advantage, a small minority attributed that to our under-strength midfield. Wiith a midfield of Caddy/Prestia/Martin & Cotch in 2017 there will be no excuses.
Nice stats. Hampster averaged more kicks, marks and goals than Mumford, only 2 less hit outs per game and was on the ground an average of 10% less game time than Mumford. Therefore, according to your stats, Hamster was a better ruckman than Mumford last year. He is also a better mark than Nic Nat as he averaged more per game!!! Who would you have preferred?
As far as hit out stats go the most important is HO to advantage but these weren't included.
Also the other hitout stat that should be included isn't the total hitouts but the percentage of hitouts from contests attended. If one player attends 60 contests and wins 30, whereas another attends 30 and wins 25, who has had the better day?
I'm one of those few Richmond supporters that rates Hampster highly. I believe that next year he will show this, especially with the no 3rd man up and with a couple of extra inside midfielders than know how to block. The amount of times this year that Hampster put the ball down to our advantage and we had 2-3 guys running at the same ball instead of 1 or 2 blocking for the midfielder that should have been getting it was astronomical (and yes I mean you Dusty and Trent). Caddy and Prestia are both willing to do the team things. This will mean that our centre clearances should improve.
Plus if Hampster stays injury free (a BIG if) and gets his fitness levels up I can see natural improvement just as he did last year.
As far as hit out stats go the most important is HO to advantage but these weren't included.
Also the other hitout stat that should be included isn't the total hitouts but the percentage of hitouts from contests attended. If one player attends 60 contests and wins 30, whereas another attends 30 and wins 25, who has had the better day?
I'm one of those few Richmond supporters that rates Hampster highly. I believe that next year he will show this, especially with the no 3rd man up and with a couple of extra inside midfielders than know how to block. The amount of times this year that Hampster put the ball down to our advantage and we had 2-3 guys running at the same ball instead of 1 or 2 blocking for the midfielder that should have been getting it was astronomical (and yes I mean you Dusty and Trent). Caddy and Prestia are both willing to do the team things. This will mean that our centre clearances should improve.
Plus if Hampster stays injury free (a BIG if) and gets his fitness levels up I can see natural improvement just as he did last year.
I agree with part of your post, the part quoted abovePomsta said:
Good on you however keep defending him. I also have fought the good fight on behalf of one or two much maligned Tiger players but I disagree on this one.
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leon said:
I really wish you were able to comprehend the spoken language. I was comparing him to the top 12 ruckmen in the competition by hitouts. 8th is below the 50% point for the top 12 ruckmen. I wasn't trying to be subjective at all, I purposely used raw stats and compared on that basis. I then gave my opinion but I leave it to others to make their own conclusions. I am not really sure though out of these stats with him being LAST in so many categories you can lay a very positive case for him overall.
leon said:
The source was footwire. These stats are pretty commonly available so I didn't think it important to specify the source. I don't know why you accuse me of providing incorrect information. Maybe you'd like to collate yourself and then make these accusations?
But why don't you now cite Nankervis' too out of interest/comparison? And probably Griffiths' as the next best performing ruck at the club in 2016? No chance of selective editing, surely? Although Griff is needed to spend a lot of time forward, and I want him to amap.
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Umm because I said I was comparing the top 12 by average hitouts. My intention wasn't to compare Hampson to Griffiths and Nankervis, neither are yet to prove themselves as ruckmen. I really find your aggressive nature in posting disturbing. Why don't you ever post in a normal way like others without the spite and personal attacks?
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Umm because I said I was comparing the top 12 by average hitouts. My intention wasn't to compare Hampson to Griffiths and Nankervis, neither are yet to prove themselves as ruckmen. I really find your aggressive nature in posting disturbing. Why don't you ever post in a normal way like others without the spite and personal attacks?
Pomsta said:
Mumford is nearly 31, past his best. However on the ground he is even now far more accomplished than Hampson.
Pomsta said:
Very true. Unfortunately footywire doesn't provide those stats. It would be interesting though. I suspect Hampson would do reasonably well in that department.
Pomsta said:
Again valid point. I suspect Hampson though would have competed a high number of contests and it may have weakened his stats. We all know he is a good tap ruckman, it's the very poor position in the ground stats that is my concern as it means you are one midfielder down.
