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lamb22 said:
Since you have come back out of the woodwork and persist with this.
So therefore why don't Norf drop Goldy? He more than doubled WC's HOs (69/32) but they only won the clearances by 5 (46/41). Obviously many HOTD.
By your limited logic and cause-and-effect analytical abilities, Goldstein not much better than Hammer when WCE had no NicNat.
I keep trying to get it through to you that the ruck can do superbly getting HOs but it depends a great deal on how good the whole midfield team is. For instance, see Shuey in Norf's game; Bont in our game; see Ablett in GC game who topped CLRs only playing part of game due to injury; Ablett against us.
Our midfield team gets beaten usually when the team loses; our midfield team is not tough/hard/good/smart enough. Comprendez?
More later; rushed now.
zgod said:
Can't rove a tap when it's tapped opposite place to what was agreed. Hampson wins the tapouts easily but he should be putting it down his player's throats. I think blame is shared, they're just not synchronising well enough for the major advantage we are getting in tap outs.
leon said:
Whoah, you don't get it.
Ignore hit outs for a second.
Goldstein >>>>>>>>>>>> Hampson.
In every facet of the game.
Now remember hit outs. Goldstein > Hampson, but essentially irrelevant as they both provide a contest.
A ruckman needs to make a contest. And it's critical that they be able to play.
Tick, tick Goldstein.
Tick, epic cross Hampson.
Points off if they continually hit it to the opposition.
Firstly do you and Lamby waxon/waxoff? Big brother? Protector? Or same poster with mixed different monikers? Or Lamby just not up to it any more. But glad you drew attention to this because on closer inspection, and with more time, it's even better than I thought.
WCE had no Nicnat, so you'd expect Goldy to have a big game. Yet Lycett has matched or slightly exceeded him for many stats incl. disposals @ 83.3DE% / 72.7%.
But the major difference was in HOs, with G dominating 65/28. Yet Norf only won CLRs by 5, and got well beaten. So many of Goldstein's taps HOTD.
In our game, Roughead won marginally on Ps and DE%, but was thrashed on HOs. If Goldstein doubled Lycett's, Hammer tripled Roughead's 45/13 HOs.
TBH, I hardly noticed Roughead;; thought he had little impact on the game although I actually like him. Narrow and fortunate Dogs' win I'd put down to generous umpiring and more effective mids and FL/backs especially Bont and Wood. Think the key difference is in them winning the CLRs despite a totally dominated ruckman. They had 13 different players credited with winning one or more clearances for a total of 38. We had 14 different players credited with winning one or more clearances for a total of 34. Pretty simple conclusion: Bullies better: still read and roved far superior to opposition ruckman that his own team could.
This has happened several times this year even when we have won. If you watch most of H's taps, they're aimed at one of our players who has moved too early, too late, the wrong way or got blocked and stopped. Quite often they do go down their throats at close quarters and they are immediately jumped on.
I have been saying all year that our coaching and tactics are near useless and very predictable. It you think it is totally H's fault, it's just naive IMHO.
BTW, Lamby's suggested rucks: Griff credited with 10 HOs, and McBean the grand total of 1 HO. That's his idea of our future ruckman. Sure they're needed to play much of the time up forward, but that's exactly it. Griff is badly needed to be a swingman/support ruck, while if you seriously think Liam is ready to take on the Mumfords, Nicnat's and Gawns of the AFL, bring it on so Lambchops can reveal it's revelatory success. Not much evidence that match!
Love to see it. Just to end this nonsense posting for good.
WCE had no Nicnat, so you'd expect Goldy to have a big game. Yet Lycett has matched or slightly exceeded him for many stats incl. disposals @ 83.3DE% / 72.7%.
But the major difference was in HOs, with G dominating 65/28. Yet Norf only won CLRs by 5, and got well beaten. So many of Goldstein's taps HOTD.
In our game, Roughead won marginally on Ps and DE%, but was thrashed on HOs. If Goldstein doubled Lycett's, Hammer tripled Roughead's 45/13 HOs.
TBH, I hardly noticed Roughead;; thought he had little impact on the game although I actually like him. Narrow and fortunate Dogs' win I'd put down to generous umpiring and more effective mids and FL/backs especially Bont and Wood. Think the key difference is in them winning the CLRs despite a totally dominated ruckman. They had 13 different players credited with winning one or more clearances for a total of 38. We had 14 different players credited with winning one or more clearances for a total of 34. Pretty simple conclusion: Bullies better: still read and roved far superior to opposition ruckman that his own team could.
This has happened several times this year even when we have won. If you watch most of H's taps, they're aimed at one of our players who has moved too early, too late, the wrong way or got blocked and stopped. Quite often they do go down their throats at close quarters and they are immediately jumped on.
I have been saying all year that our coaching and tactics are near useless and very predictable. It you think it is totally H's fault, it's just naive IMHO.
BTW, Lamby's suggested rucks: Griff credited with 10 HOs, and McBean the grand total of 1 HO. That's his idea of our future ruckman. Sure they're needed to play much of the time up forward, but that's exactly it. Griff is badly needed to be a swingman/support ruck, while if you seriously think Liam is ready to take on the Mumfords, Nicnat's and Gawns of the AFL, bring it on so Lambchops can reveal it's revelatory success. Not much evidence that match!
Love to see it. Just to end this nonsense posting for good.
Totally ironic, Lamby.
Your quote from Lethal is exact proof and support for what I have tried to get through to you all year: "Lethal say in the Weagles match that hitouts and clearances have little to do with each other."
That is, it's a matter of how good your whole clearance/midfield team is, not simply the ruckman. So he is clearly saying this. He is not saying that it isn't damn desirable to have a big, strong, aggressive ruck who is doing his darndest to knock it down to his teams's advantage. Witness LM's great flag teams with the resurrections of Clark Keating for successful finals campaigns. But it will never be enough if your mids get beaten to contested ball by their opponents.
But he also had the likes of Voss, Black and Akermanis and co. who knew how to win a clearance and beat opponents, taking advantage of HOTA along the way.
BTW, Hampson continued his steady improvement last game by adding some classy handballs to his improved contested marking, but you are not discerning enough to pick that up, are you? Just the constant doom and gloom. In case you haven't noticed, I'm being really nice to you re Liam's game because I regard him as a project player. Not the transformative Messiah you imagine. If you want Liam to have a future, you wouldn't be asking for him to do more ruck-time.
Your quote from Lethal is exact proof and support for what I have tried to get through to you all year: "Lethal say in the Weagles match that hitouts and clearances have little to do with each other."
That is, it's a matter of how good your whole clearance/midfield team is, not simply the ruckman. So he is clearly saying this. He is not saying that it isn't damn desirable to have a big, strong, aggressive ruck who is doing his darndest to knock it down to his teams's advantage. Witness LM's great flag teams with the resurrections of Clark Keating for successful finals campaigns. But it will never be enough if your mids get beaten to contested ball by their opponents.
But he also had the likes of Voss, Black and Akermanis and co. who knew how to win a clearance and beat opponents, taking advantage of HOTA along the way.
BTW, Hampson continued his steady improvement last game by adding some classy handballs to his improved contested marking, but you are not discerning enough to pick that up, are you? Just the constant doom and gloom. In case you haven't noticed, I'm being really nice to you re Liam's game because I regard him as a project player. Not the transformative Messiah you imagine. If you want Liam to have a future, you wouldn't be asking for him to do more ruck-time.
I still don't rate Hampson's rucking performance but have to admit he is now moving around the ground a lot better and holding some marks. Must have had his eyes fixed
UKTiger said:
Agree - a number of times he hits it straight down the opposition throat when he seems to have a clear tap at it.
UKTiger said:
His ruck-work has been high quality most of the year. Have you had your own eyes checked recently? I suggest possibly distance spectacles required. You're straining to see well from so far away perhaps e.g. today he doubled his opponents' (Luenberger) HOs 40/20. We won the clearances 37/30, both centre and stoppages, overall HOs 49/31.
So what is not appearing clearly to you yet? As well as improved marking, even took it out of the ruck and kicked a goal yet nothing pleases you. There is such an ailment as refusing to see.
For me his improved enough to get another year as a back up ruck on the list, problem is we have zilch Rucks on the list, we really need an A grade ruckjb03 said:
I should point out I actually said he has improved around the ground and holding marks so that in itself is pleasing.leon said:
What is clear to me and others watching from afar is far too many of Hampsons taps are at the opponent rovers. They either read the game better than ours or he doesn't aim his taps effectively. Watch the class ruckmen and see how their taps go directly to teammates
UKTiger said:
I accept that we should be obtaining more clearances from Hammer's effective taps but I think it's hard to be certain if he is fully to blame, partially, or his midfield crew. Perhaps only they and the ruck coaches know because you would have to know the strategy, intended target and why it failed when it fails. Plus the communication between them. But maybe a clue is that, despite all the stats in our favour in my previous reply to you, Essendope clearly won the Inside 50s, 53/46.
This indicates to me we are getting beaten in general play and effective ball-use. I'm not saying his HOs could not be better directed. The whole midfield function needs to capitalise on HOs far more efficiently. I think we need another A-grader.
