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shaun hampson threads [merged]
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taztiger4 said:
Glad someone gets it. Do some fans think that the mids all stay in fixed positions and wait rigidly still until the ball from the HO lands in their mits?? Like one of those wind-up music boxes?
And if it doesn't hit them on the tits, it must be the ruckman's fault?
It was a low bar, but he he has definitely improved. We do need to recruit another ruck man, because Maric won't go on past this year and none of the part timers we have can assume 1st ruck responsibilities long term, so for the moment Hammer is it. Hopefully his body won't let him down again. Was a very nice mark he took yesterday, too.
Got a feeling NicNat, Sandi n Goldy are fairly good at hitting their blokes on the tit regularly. Just as importantly the three of them are also excellent at using their two metre plus, hundred kg bodies to get in the way of opposition mids n breaking up congestion around the ball up.leon said:
Hamsters a decent tap ruckman, good luck if you know where he's tapping it to, does very little of the secondary efforts n still a liability around the ground more often than not.
Yes he done well against Mould Coast, probably near a career best game but he's twenty eight n been mediocre for virtually all his career.
If he sets this game as around his standard mark over the rest of his career, then the best he'll ever be is handy, guess we might have to be content with that.
Is battling away and doing his bit as best as possible, but he will never be in the top echelon of ruckmen and will remain vulnerable to being exploited around the ground by his opposing number.
K3 said:
You're comparing him here to the burgeoning superstar of ruckman. Yes, Gawn may leave them all behind soon, although Goldy still great when 100% fit. No doubt that Hammer is not in this league, but he's the only one who can even compete ATM.
Bullarto Tiger said:
Correct, will never be top echelon, I simply argue he is the best we have at present, whatever the reasons (which we cannot change now). He does compete and win many HOs against most of his rivals. Isn't it also a positive that he is giving us more than expected, and more than many posters on here expected, if they are honest?
He gives us time to find another quality young ruckman, by draft or trade, over the next year or two, maybe at worst. Really don't know much about Soldo but not many on here rate him that highly ATM.
leon said:
Yes, Leon, Hampson is the 'best' ruckman RFC has got for the time-being, hence many people's concern about the state of ruck stocks on the list.
And, yes, it is a positive that he is giving more than would be expected by most (but he is coming off a low base in this regard) ... guess you can't wish for any more from a player that is selected to take the field.
The time to find a quality ruckman (or one on the verge of being so) is the season's end. This issue has to be addressed immediately.
Bullarto Tiger said:
It depends on what you want or choose to spend on? If you want to go for a more mature, ready-to-go ruckman like e.g. Nichols. So are you prepared to give up our No. 1 pick for someone like that? What about the extra big-bodied mid we badly need (more IMO)? Have posted about this prior, not sure anyone answered. Have no 2nd rd pick; 3rd will not cut it, obviously.
But could draft a good young prospect high in the draft. Then he will need some years to develop; that's what Hampson offers - cover for that development time.
So just tell us where this quality ruckman is, and how you plan to get him.
leon said:
The ruckman just has to be better than Hampson. Now I don't know the intricacies of all rucks contractual obligations at this point in time so I cant say WHO that ruckman is.
But the last thing I'd want to do is sit on my hands ( as we have done) and say "it's all too hard, lets just keep the status quo" and roll around again with Hampy as first ruck. I'd like to think the tree can be shaken.
Sandilands? he says "no"
Goldstein? He says "no"
Gawn: he says "no"
Mumford? he says "no"
Jacobs: "no"
and so on until you get down to the level of ruck that you don't want...ie Hampson.
Who of other clubs second tier rucks are worth a trade? Sam Naismith from Sydney?
Scour the state leagues. Darcy Cameron from Claremont?
But I agree the quality of rucks after the first half dozen or so really levels out to the likes Witts, Gorringe, Longer, Ceglar etc.
Anyway, Ive come around to the Grant Thomas line of thinking that rucks are superfluous ( in general)
I'd be looking at developing someone like Chol to become a "ruck" that then becomes a midfielder who gets possessions around the ground. ie like Gawn had 27 on Monday.
Hampy averages around 7 and most rucks are around 10.
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tigertim said:
1. couldnt disagree more. I reckon every st.kilda fan would disagree too. We all view the world and the game differently, but I firmly believe ruckmen win finals.
2. Agree a fair bit. I reckon Cholita could develop into a very fast, agile and snakey ruckman.
tigertim said:
Gawn had 27 possessions and probably 50 hitouts. He is a 200cm+ monster at ball ups and then agile around the ground. It is this ability that sets he and Goldstein apart.
if we are going to chase a ruck, and we do need to i reckon, we need to look at the young 2nd stringers. Downie from GWS and Nainsmith from the Swans are probably the 2 who on paper look best. both young, good size and cant get a game because they are behind quality rucks (tho it will be interesting if Nainsmith gets a game now Tippett is out).
after seeing Daw against us we could do worse than him too. a reservation ive had about him is his height, i think he is listed at 195, but i would be surprised if he isnt up to nearly 200cm now, which gives him a chance, with his leap and strength, to compete against the bigger guys.
on Hampson, his biggest weakness (besides coordination) is that he is now our no1 ruck. as a number 2 he is more than adequate, but now that Maric appears shot Hampson gets compared to Goldstein etc, and he doesnt get close.
