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shaun hampson threads [merged]
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leon said:
He had the 2nd lowest disposals ON THE GROUND against for Hawks. 2nd lowest contested possessions. For someone who is playing in the midfield for most of the game, and is 28 years old with 10 years experience, it is pretty unbelievable. Based on our current team list I don't have any qualms with Hampson getting a game, you could argue whether Maric is a better option still (I think when fully fit and not underdone he still is depending on opponent) but my issue is he is our BEST option right now. My issue is with the team list management. We have just ignored our ruck stocks for way too long. Vickery and Griffiths were never going to be options, neither has the tank or the aggression to be successful at the role.
tigerlove said:
You ARE a stats genius!
Ever heard of hit-outs? Some, not YOU of course, actually put first rucks in for that primary purpose. How stupid of them!
But, could throw in TV and Griff's figures too, for our next best options. Eevan has been a hero, but I think past it now, unless he can rejuvenate remarkably.
Thought I saw 'data' report the other week that Grundy was close to poorest ruck in the comp. A basic reality that most people realise is that Stats can be found/used for anything you like. All depends too on their source and manner of compilation.
Past caring; just get a laugh out of all the extreme pessimism of many on here; as if one or two players are the total explanation for the team's current demise. Some truth but the lack of strength, smarts, toughness and skill under pressure of our youngsters is as much a reason as the regularly pilloried players. It was necessary, to take the next step, to bring in these kids and blood them.
But keep up the impressive stats cut n'paste work. I use them too when it suits.
I agree with everything you say here Leon.leon said:
Unfortunately you don't seem to find issue with what you've said.
Effectively you're saying go into a game of AFL footy with a guy who is proficient in ONE aspect of the game: hit outs. He can't/won't kick it.
He rarely marks it (on ave 2 a game). On ave he disposes it 7.7 times a game mostly, as you say, to the guy standing next to him.
He plays on ball. He follows the ball around the whole game. But, as you've said, just for the hit outs.
This doesn't make sense to me. You'd be better off playing K Mac as a pinch hitter in the ruck and then act as as an on baller.
Hampy is average 28HO a game this season at roughly 30% HOTA which is fine but as an on baller you've GOT to be more than just adept at HO.
As I mentioned Hampy is not clearing the ball (ave 1.5 a game), we are not winning at clearing the ball ( 40 a piece v Hawthorn)
What's he bringing to the game other than HO? (Where he matches most of the other rucks in the AFL stat wise)
lamb22 said:
Right, so you think Griffiths is up to that workload with his history and, I think, still lacking a great tank (but improving)?
Your own figure: "Hammer had 85 contests (lot of work there)."
Or, as you've said, in the absence of a great ruck-man, could go with a ruckrover type. I reckon Chaplin needs another role. You keen?
leon said:
That would be great if Hampson was elite in hitouts. You could have given a bit of leeway in the 80s on his total incapacity to do anything around the ground. Today no club with the output of a Hampson as a first ruck will get you anywhere near a premiership purely because in today's game most of the ruckmen are another midfielder, they get disposals, hard ball, clearances, tackles. You play without that extra midfielder on average you LOSE.
But back to hit outs, Hampson is currently 10th behind Gawn, Goldstein, Natanui, Jacobs, Hickey, Mumford, Lobbe, Sandilands, Currie. Ruck hitouts is the only position you can truly win on merit with little excuse as the ruckman is almost solely responsible for their performance in that area. So what is it exactly you're portraying as elite that Hampson has that would warrant him being useless around the ground?
lamb22 said:
We've covered this ground I believe. Actually agree it's interesting; needs much more testing though starting with their match against Bloos.
Clearances a result of whole group in there. Overall, I keep trying to convey, this area is not the sole reason why we have dropped off.
Anyway, need to get back to work. Thought PRE was looking a bit sad and dull.
Mention Hampo and people soon spark up. Good to see some spirited debate.
FWIW, thought there were some really good signs last match. The fact that kids like Rioli and Menadue are just trying to make their way and are probably not up to it yet in terms of strength, breaking tackles, or disposal skills under pressure is half the issue. CEllis is coming along nicely.
Tiges a long shot chance against Swans? Maybe, if they have an off day.
tigerlove said:
Longer reply later, but have never claimed he is elite. Seriously? Only that he is best ruck option for now at RFC. Interestingly, notice that the top 6 all younger although maybe not Goldy (not sure of his age). Hampson can and does do a little more than many credit him with, but sure isn't elite. Simply no-one at the club that will definitely do more ATM. He is the stop-gap until the club finds/develops someone really up to it. Soldo? Who knows?
leon said:
K we definitely agree on the key point, we need a much better ruck option at the Tigers and we simply don't currently have one. Guess we'll leave it there. I am sure until the day Hampson leaves the Tigers the PRE raging debate will continue.
lamb22 said:
With Hammer's dodgy legs and injury history, every chance that could occur. Would be happy to see it tried (and we should experiment as much as we can, for those other reasons I have suggested before, just like Rossy is planning at Freo).
But Dimma would just drag Eevan up from the VFL, I bet!
Yep, 10th in HO ave at 28.tigerlove said:
(All stats for ruckmen who've played more than 1 game)
Clearances he averages 1.5, only Dan Currie averages worse in the top 19 at 1.3 and Ben McEvoy at 1
Tackles? 1.7 which is the least of the top 19.
Disposals? 7.7, again the worst of the top 19
Marks? 2.2. Only Lobbe (1.6) and J Griffin (1.6) worse in the top 19.
