Shane Edwards

[geoffryprettyboy]

With the correct development Eddie may turn out to be a very handy & versatile player for us. His early form showed us he has issues with his kicking, Rawlings I think is trying to rectify that by playing him in the backline for Coburg to improve his kicking especially under pressure and has showed he can kick out from defence. Wallarse probably played him in the wrong position from day 1. By giving him the confidence and leanring the game down back he can also become a handy goal sneak up forward. A battler he is not.

 

[Merveille]

He is better than now than HArbrow WAS - so there must be hope

 

[Elmer]

How's it saying let's wait and see how he goes against the Saints. :hihi

Good game from the little bloke. Needs a lot of work in the Gym but at least he's not scared.

Got some hope for him.

 

[WesternTiger]

How's it saying let's wait and see how he goes against the Saints. :hihi

Good game from the little bloke. Needs a lot of work in the Gym but at least he's not scared.

Got some hope for him.

Very much like what some have said about Tambling after the WC game. I reminded people that Bling was just about BOG against the big bodied, hard tackling Swans and had no response! 8)

 

[Massai]

Edwards has got talent, he's shown it. He's a small forward in my book and if he's allowed to develop properly and he works on his kicking and player development side, then he should become a regular in the senior side in my book.

Question is will he be allowed to do this, or will he join a lot of young players that come to Richmond, get bugger all development and sink accordingly.

 

[Tango]

if we rely on playing sides like cats and saints to improve our game under pressure its no wonder we take so long to develop

THE ONLY way to improve under pressure is to practise under pressure - the old story train how you play

RFC have trained like a sunday school kick to kick for 10 years, there is no pressure, no pain and no intensity - hence our floggings everytime we build up for a big event

we need to start building up for a big event every week, somehow we have to develop a routine that places our players under severe mental and physical stress, we sort out who can handle it and who cant

we challenge our players in the gym and generous supply of creatine over summer to build mass and muscle, we increse the intensity around the club and we play a direct, disciplined, contested - team orientated style of play

if this happened from now until the end of next years pre season, and then acrried on till end of next year i guarantee we would make the 8 next year

from then its about getting more skill and class to challenge the top 4

 

[Jason King]

Some of his kicks against WCE were fantastic, absolute bullet passes which no defender could ever have a hope of spoiling.

Theres no room for Edwards in the forward line though, He isnt as skilled around goals as Morton or Nahas or even Jack.

 

[GoodOne]

THE ONLY way to improve under pressure is to practise under pressure - the old story train how you play

Impossible, sorry. Only game conditions can truly prepare you for the added pressure. You can certianly train with pressure and all clubs do but it's like match fitness, there are some thigns you can't duplicate out on the training track.

 

[IanG]

Impossible, sorry. Only game conditions can truly prepare you for the added pressure. You can certianly train with pressure and all clubs do

Not Richmond, the last 2 years Wallace has minimised this to stop training injuries occurring.

 

[Mr Pumblechook]

Not Richmond, the last 2 years Wallace has minimised this to stop training injuries occurring.

:hihi

 

[Tango]

Impossible, sorry. Only game conditions can truly prepare you for the added pressure. You can certianly train with pressure and all clubs do but it's like match fitness, there are some thigns you can't duplicate out on the training track.

i disagree, thats likes saying you cannot prepare for battle - yet all defence forces train in simulated conditions
take a look at most forms of employment that require you to work under pressure and you will find that in some way they train for it under simulated activity
there may be nothing EXACTLY like playing in a final but you can at least train your players under pressure both physically and mentally

as an ex serviceman i can tell you that anyone can learn to pull apart and put together a weapon, but when people are screaming at you, abusing you and beating you whilst you are trying to do it then that simulates physical and mental pressure and training under these conditions prepares you...

 

[Massai]

Impossible, sorry. Only game conditions can truly prepare you for the added pressure. You can certianly train with pressure and all clubs do but it's like match fitness, there are some thigns you can't duplicate out on the training track.

Disagree, in special forces training particularly close quarter battle, we used live ammunition at all times. You can train up to and including that sort of stuff the only thing that doesn't happen is people getting killed, we used targets instead, but it's as realistic as you can get and it gives a damn good idea of what to expect out in the field.

Richmond have got Jeff Bond supposed to be a "mental toughness" expert in sports psychology, from what I've seen of the mental toughness in the playing group, I'd say he's failed dismally in his 18 months plus he's been there.

You can replicate the pressure of a football game, scenario's like 5 minutes to go, you are 4 points down, come on we can win this etc etc. After all if you've got 40 odd players on your list, that is 2 full teams on the field, they should go hard at it. The only thing stopping such training would be the worry of injury to players, but to me that is part and parcel if you're worried about players getting injured in a practice game or training drill, then the players start to think that and back off, hence the reality goes out the window.

Richmond has been soft for years, physically soft and mentally soft, they need to toughen up in both areas if they are to have any hope of winning AFL games on a regular basis.

 

[TigerForce]

Disagree, in special forces training particularly close quarter battle, we used live ammunition at all times. You can train up to and including that sort of stuff the only thing that doesn't happen is people getting killed, we used targets instead, but it's as realistic as you can get and it gives a damn good idea of what to expect out in the field.

Richmond have got Jeff Bond supposed to be a "mental toughness" expert in sports psychology, from what I've seen of the mental toughness in the playing group, I'd say he's failed dismally in his 18 months plus he's been there.

You can replicate the pressure of a football game, scenario's like 5 minutes to go, you are 4 points down, come on we can win this etc etc. After all if you've got 40 odd players on your list, that is 2 full teams on the field, they should go hard at it. The only thing stopping such training would be the worry of injury to players, but to me that is part and parcel if you're worried about players getting injured in a practice game or training drill, then the players start to think that and back off, hence the reality goes out the window.

Richmond has been soft for years, physically soft and mentally soft, they need to toughen up in both areas if they are to have any hope of winning AFL games on a regular basis.

True words massai.

 

[geoffryprettyboy]

Disagree, in special forces training particularly close quarter battle, we used live ammunition at all times. You can train up to and including that sort of stuff the only thing that doesn't happen is people getting killed, we used targets instead, but it's as realistic as you can get and it gives a damn good idea of what to expect out in the field.

You can train your arse off with live bullets, it's all about communication and working as a team and watching each others back, something this club hasn't done for a very long time.

 

[Massai]

You can train your arse off with live bullets, it's all about communication and working as a team and watching each others back, something this club hasn't done for a very long time.

That too GPB, that too.

 

[Streak]

You can train your arse off with live bullets, it's all about communication and working as a team and watching each others back, something this club hasn't done for a very long time.

No, unfortunately it seems that too many people, players and off fields staff, have had to spend too much time watching their own backs.

 

[Smilodon]

Oh well, just to continue to take this off-topic, I am another to disagree with Poster GoodOne on training. Poster Massai has it:

Disagree, in special forces training particularly close quarter battle, we used live ammunition at all times. You can train up to and including that sort of stuff the only thing that doesn't happen is people getting killed, we used targets instead, but it's as realistic as you can get and it gives a damn good idea of what to expect out in the field.

Richmond have got Jeff Bond supposed to be a "mental toughness" expert in sports psychology, from what I've seen of the mental toughness in the playing group, I'd say he's failed dismally in his 18 months plus he's been there.

You can replicate the pressure of a football game, scenario's like 5 minutes to go, you are 4 points down, come on we can win this etc etc. After all if you've got 40 odd players on your list, that is 2 full teams on the field, they should go hard at it. The only thing stopping such training would be the worry of injury to players, but to me that is part and parcel if you're worried about players getting injured in a practice game or training drill, then the players start to think that and back off, hence the reality goes out the window.

Richmond has been soft for years, physically soft and mentally soft, they need to toughen up in both areas if they are to have any hope of winning AFL games on a regular basis.

I'll subject throw in a classical reference - I think it was Josephus who said of the Roman Army (who did over Josephus and his mates pretty thoroughly in the first century) that:
He would not err, who described their exercises as battles without blood, and their battles as bloody exercises.

Back on Player Edwards - will be all right. Some of his work in games last year was almost game-breaking. He's not quite pulling it off and has been given time in defence and at Coburg to get it right. His kicking has been shown to be a lot better than I thought it was - the poor disposal did not reflect a lack of skills but a lack of time to get it right after trying to do too much. His workrate is fine and he is a live wire, which we need. My opinion is that he his more likely rather than less likely to become a good player - real judgement will come next year.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Eddy's gonna make it.

I don't think his disposal technique is too bad.

Needs experience and size. That will come.

 

[Bill James]

Disagree, in special forces training particularly close quarter battle, we used live ammunition at all times. You can train up to and including that sort of stuff the only thing that doesn't happen is people getting killed, we used targets instead, but it's as realistic as you can get and it gives a damn good idea of what to expect out in the field.

Richmond have got Jeff Bond supposed to be a "mental toughness" expert in sports psychology, from what I've seen of the mental toughness in the playing group, I'd say he's failed dismally in his 18 months plus he's been there.

You can replicate the pressure of a football game, scenario's like 5 minutes to go, you are 4 points down, come on we can win this etc etc. After all if you've got 40 odd players on your list, that is 2 full teams on the field, they should go hard at it. The only thing stopping such training would be the worry of injury to players, but to me that is part and parcel if you're worried about players getting injured in a practice game or training drill, then the players start to think that and back off, hence the reality goes out the window.

Richmond has been soft for years, physically soft and mentally soft, they need to toughen up in both areas if they are to have any hope of winning AFL games on a regular basis.

A few points on your analogy:

At training nobody has to walk up the race in front of 50,000 people after missing a shot at goal to leave us a kick down. You cant recreate mental pressure at training.

Footballers train <18 hours versus other elite sports up to 30 hours or more. Its due to rehab and injury management. Physically they are under about as much pressure as they can take.

The SAS go into active service what 2-3 times times a decade? Footballers go into active service 22 times a year (26 at other clubs) they don't need to recreate the pressure they can practice every weekend.

We have been mentally soft for years because we picked and kept players (so called leaders) who were mentally soft. No shame in picking the odd soft player but keeping them and promoting them to leadership is a problem.

 

[CK]

You know when things are getting desperate when people are measuring Richmond players against SAS soldiers:

SAS - Hard bastards, run dozens of kilometres with 40 kgs on their back, can kill with their bare hands, mentally strong, eat rocks for breakfast.

Richmond players - Jordan McMahon.

Enough said.