Sam Lloyd | PUNT ROAD END | Richmond Tigers Forum
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Sam Lloyd

Panthera Tigris said:
I can tell you that for Kenyan and Ethiopian distance athletes their sport is very much their life. They go through long training blocks where everything they do is about their sport, which for a professional athlete is their livelihood. Sure it isn't just running itself. But their day is taken up by running, stretching, running drills, strength and conditioning, eating and sleeping. 100% focussed on their sport with little downtime. But then they are consistently the best in the world and have been for a very long time. Sure they have some freakish genes on their side. But westerners overplay this as an excuse, so they don't have to face the inconvenient truth that the East Africans have a larger pool whom will work far harder.
Exception that proves the rule. Anyway, I agree with the spirit of your point. Kicking 50 on your wrong foot every day, somewhat casually, would build the muscle memory with little physical impact.
 
Gets the pill at lot inside 50 yet wants to pass it off which results in turnovers. Bang it thru as that is what u r there 4.
 
Wanted to get rid of him last year.

Now like the way he demands the pill, should back himself more, he knows where the goals are.
 
Harsh Markers.

He hit two of the most difficult (and brilliant) short passes I've seen to give us shots on goal. Not his fault his captain can't kick strait from 20 meters out directly in front.
 
H tiger said:
Harsh Markers.

He hit two of the most difficult (and brilliant) short passes I've seen to give us shots on goal. Not his fault his captain can't kick strait from 20 meters out directly in front.

Cut his legs off and give them Cotchin.
 
Thought he was okay last night, better last week, but at least got involved as much as he could and as others have said he tried to give people some opportunities, not his fault that they couldn't finish off.
 
It must be instructions from the coaches - it wasn't just him but every time we took a mark inside the 50 we were looking to pass the ball. He and Vickery are amongst the best kicks in the league inside 50, yet they weren't prepared to take the shot.
 
Harry said:
It must be instructions from the coaches - it wasn't just him but every time we took a mark inside the 50 we were looking to pass the ball. He and Vickery are amongst the best kicks in the league inside 50, yet they weren't prepared to take the shot.

I know what you are saying harry. Vickery had a couple very tight but overall we need to bring back the selfish forward. This PC forward mentality is killing us!
 
WesternTiger said:
I know what you are saying harry. Vickery had a couple very tight but overall we need to bring back the selfish forward. This PC forward mentality is killing us!
It's reinforcing the lack of self belief. If the instructions indicate that the coaches don't believe in you, what chance do you have?
 
Panthera Tigris said:
Sure they have some freakish genes on their side. But westerners overplay this as an excuse,

They have a short calf muscle and a long achilles tendon. Energy from the previous stride is stored and released in to the next stride through the achilles tendon. With the open and large geographical landscape of our own continent, this is likely why kangaroos have evolved as they have. They have a massive achilles tendon that releases something like 60% to 70% of the energy stored from the previous bound.

I wouldn't call it an excuse used by westerners. Physically it is a huge advantage and i can remember reading somewhere Joel Bowden's comment about Richo having really short calf muscles. Apparently he has some African blood in his make up.

I can't remember who posted a comment on Cory Ellis's inefficient stride, but he was exactly right (though he didn't mention the specifics of the inefficiency). Cory seems to be a massive heel striker when he runs. Mid foot strikers have less shock going up their legs and tend to push with the glutes rather than pull with the hammys when running. Bear in mind if you heel strike, it means you are contacting the ground in front of your body weight. It's like putting the brakes on every time your foot hits the ground. Mid foot strikers will contact the ground directly under their body weight. A mid foot striker will make better use of the achilles tendon. If you notice a runner who seems to be doing it effortlessly, it's usually because of the above factors along with a good pelvic position. A bad pelvic position will cause all sorts of issues with your back when running as well as being inefficient in terms of transferring energy as it creates slack in the system. Slack is the enemy of an efficient lever system.
 
hutstar said:
Exception that proves the rule. Anyway, I agree with the spirit of your point. Kicking 50 on your wrong foot every day, somewhat casually, would build the muscle memory with little physical impact.
Essentially, yes spot on, that was the spirit of the point to a tee.
 
Harry said:
It must be instructions from the coaches - it wasn't just him but every time we took a mark inside the 50 we were looking to pass the ball. He and Vickery are amongst the best kicks in the league inside 50, yet they weren't prepared to take the shot.

Yep this is spot on. It was driving me nuts I was told off from the wife for yelling at the tv. Llyod and vickery shoukd always be taking the shot inside 50.

Apart from the obvious brain fart in the final quarter why was vickery looking to pass it off 10 metres out on a slight angle?? Does he not realise he is paid a lot of money to kick those?
 
CarnTheTiges said:
Thought he was okay last night, better last week, but at least got involved as much as he could and as others have said he tried to give people some opportunities, not his fault that they couldn't finish off.

Thought he was more consistently in the game this week. Was a matchwinner last week with those two important goals but had a lot more contested ball this week and had a goal and a goal assits (should have been two if guys could kick straight). Appeared to stay a little bit closer to goal too.
 
Harry said:
It must be instructions from the coaches - it wasn't just him but every time we took a mark inside the 50 we were looking to pass the ball. He and Vickery are amongst the best kicks in the league inside 50, yet they weren't prepared to take the shot.
Yep, bloody crazy that our better set shot players were trying to dish off short into congestion to players that can't kick a footy properly like Hamster, Grigg n Cotch.
Bloody pathetic the amount of straight forward bread n butter set shots some players constantly miss, *smile* goal face is six n a half metres wide you could drive two semis side by side through without touching, yet professional footballers can't poke a crappy little footy through the gap from a set controlled situation.
 
Harry said:
It must be instructions from the coaches - it wasn't just him but every time we took a mark inside the 50 we were looking to pass the ball. He and Vickery are amongst the best kicks in the league inside 50, yet they weren't prepared to take the shot.

We commented on that as well. It almost looked like they didn't want to be the ones who stuffed up so looked to get rid of it at all costs.
 
Harry said:
It must be instructions from the coaches - it wasn't just him but every time we took a mark inside the 50 we were looking to pass the ball. He and Vickery are amongst the best kicks in the league inside 50, yet they weren't prepared to take the shot.

To me it seems pretty obvious that you always look up to see if anyone in a better position is clearly free to dish off to but when you're no more than 30 metres out virtually straight in front and you are Vickery most of the time you just take the shot (particularly in the circumstances of the game). You don't chip it in the air to someone barely 15 metres away with an opposition player in the vicinity. I have seen in the past Vickery turn his back on the play when marking inside 50. Maybe this was iterated pre-match? Regardless players must be smarter than that.
 
tigerlove said:
I have seen in the past Vickery turn his back on the play when marking inside 50.
Something Ty should do virtually every time he gets a free or mark inside fifty. Perhaps a sneaky occasional glance, but Ty is an excellent set shot within fifty. Take the forwards responsibility n go back n kick the flaming goal. Same for Jaaack n Lloyd. Unless you've got a blatantly obvious gaping hole to set up a ten metre soda, take the forwards shot n keep the scuttling roaches hungry. Bloody roaches always calling for the short pass for their glory shot n messing up when the spotlight shines on them then they scuttle back to the darkness under the fridge.
 
First saw Ty do it in the first game against the Pies last year, he kicked the goal, too. All the commentary team were bagging him for it, but changed their tune when they realised what a good set shot he is.
There's at least 4 guys in this side who can kick goals, and should be encouraged to be selfish when they get the opportunity. Lloyd is one of them.