Read on the RFC site i think, Lloyds goal was the best left foot goal kicked by a Lloyd at the MCG :hihi :hihi
CarnTheTiges said:I think the last quarter goals thing may have been as a consequence of being played as the sub. When he gets them they seem to come in multiples in a very short space of time. The 3 goals he kicked against Collingwood late last year I think were all kicked in the 1st quarter.
CarnTheTiges said:I'd take 30 as well. The reason I think he was made sub so often was because it often seemed to all or nothing with him. He may kick 2 or 3 goals quickly, but he may also go a lot of the game and hardly see the ball. That's how sides used the sub rule, they wanted someone who could come on and make something happen. Lloyd failed to do that in his final 2 games of 2015 and was subsequently dropped. Thursday night was the best game I've seen from him, not because of the goals, but because he genuinely tried to get involved and get the ball or create for a team mate when it wasn't going his way. If he can keep doing that then he should keep getting a game and will hit that 30 goal a season mark.
mrposhman said:I agree on the sub rule. There are generally 2 concerns most have with Lloyd. 1 - Doesn't get involved enough and 2 - Defensive pressure.
I think the first is a bit of a fallacy due to the number of times he has been sub. I had a quick look at his stats for the last 2 years and pro-rated them to an 85% TOG % (in the 5 games he played the full game last year he averaged 88% and had 87% on Thursday).
In terms of disposal he would have averaged 13.2 in 2014 and 16.2 last year. He got 14 on Thursday. I think thats perfectly fine for the role that he plays. For comparison, Ballantyne averages 13, Jeff Garlett 11, Betts 12 (last 2 years 13-14), so he gets involved enough.
His goals have not been bad either, again pro-rata up he averaged 1.2 goals per game in 2014, 1.6 last year which is again right up there for me.
The area that he struggles is tackling, last year he went backwards (actually would have averaged 3.6 in 2014) to only 2.6 which is well below those other guys. He had 3 on Thursday so if he can keep that up then he can certainly be a big weapon for us this year and could certainly score 30-35 if he plays all year for us.
Interesting isn't it that in the modern game, where players are full time professionals, a bloke whom has mastered the fundamental skill of kicking proficiently on both feet stands out.mrposhman said:Love that he's 2 footed as well. Being able to snap goals off either foot makes him a very dangerous proposition for defenders. a lot players can be turned through defensive pressure on to their unfavoured foot and they stuff it up, Lloyd doesn't do that. The 3 kicks at goal he had in the final quarter (the 2 goals and the left foot snap that was marked on the line but was probably going for a behind anyway) were all on the left.
Absolutely Leysy. My vivid memories of being a small child watching football in the 80s was of seeing a lot of Hawthorn, given they were the dominant club. Despite the fact that I hated them (still do), one thing I remember was their skill level. I remember my father always emphasizing to me, "look at these blokes, they can all kick on both feet." I was made to go out in the backyard and practice on the non preferred. Training as a junior and high school footballer, there were plenty of drills where the non preferred was the only side you were permitted to use. Certainly party tricks like dribble kicks were seen as unacceptable and were used to reinforce the need to get competent or even really good on the non preferred. It was seen as such a fundamental skill, but it seems not so today if even elite footballers, whom have all the time in the world to practice these skills (as they are full time professionals), more and more rarely show a high level of competence in this area.Leysy Days said:Dont forget by hand either PT.
Amazing the number of football that struggle on non preferred.
The Tasmanian bloke drafted to Adelaide as a mature age rookie, Ian Callinan, was another whom was good in this area. Used to love seeing him roost 60m drop punts, under pressure, off one step, on either side of his body, hard up against the boundary line kicking towards goal.leon said:Dangerfield was a case in point yesterday, burst out of the middle at one point and drove the ball 60m to the top of the square on the right, then not long after did exactly the same on the left. He can just do everything; fantastic kick on either side.
On the way to being accepted as No. 1 player in the game?
nikolasmia said:LLoyd, is a genuine striker in EPL parlance.
Interestingly his accuracy is much better in general play than in set shots.
One thing that is interesting is that I am not sure if his input on the game would have been any different if he was the sub.
All his touches seemed to have happened in the last quarter.
jb03 said:He would have started on and been subbed off at three quarter time.